Flush+GS draw HU OOP

I just have a quick question:
Which way is the best and why, to play flush+gut shot draw being heads up out of position.
1. Check call all the way
2. Check/raise the flop and lead the turn
3. Any other approaches ?

Thanks

to catalyze this discussion, you should post some HHs (with as many reads as possible on opponents as well). otherwise, everyone's just gonna say "it depends"

So there is no rules of thumbs for situation like this ? Like ABC or something ?

Ok, here is one :

Villain stats based on 154 hands:
VPIP 28
PFR 17
Steal 49
3B 4.7
Cbet 64


No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($12.03)
MP ($10)
Button ($27.19)
Hero (SB) ($10.78)
BB ($10.93)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 10[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif]
1 fold, MP bets $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.60) 8[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif], 7[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif], A[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

Turn: ($1.44) 2[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

River: ($4.04) A[image: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Total pot: $4.04

I'd recommend being aggressive in a spot like that. He's cbetting most of his range so you can semibluff profitably by c/r'ing

Like if that guy opens tight and only cbets the nuts, then c/c or lead may be better

Ok, what is the plan if case of
a) I made C/R and got 4Bet: fold,call,shove
b) I made lead up and got raised: call,shove

you never want to fold a strong draw on the flop (because it will always have a lot of equity against even the tightest ranges), so you shouldn't put money into the pot with one and intend to fold the flop.

so, if you c/r, c/r big enough so if you get 3b, you have pot odds to stack off (if you want to see how much equity you have vs. your opponent's stacking off range, use pokerstove or propokertools.com). you'll be making money by making your opponent fold "better" hands to your c/r (hands like K-high for example) which will happen often since he's likely cbetting almost all of his PFR range, and you'll still have enough equity to stack off on the rare occasion that he does 3b over your c/r


leading is trickier because you'd want to be doing it against guys who will be likely to fold to your lead, fold to subsequent barrels (allowing you to lead the flop to build a bigger pot to take away later), or bluffraise your bet (allowing you to 3b and win a bigger pot when they fold).

if the guy is raising only value hands, the way you continue often hinges on how much implied odds you have with your draw (so if he only raises 2p+ and never raises draws, you can sometimes call the flop and then take his stack when you hit your draw on the turn). this is more situation dependent, because if you lead and the guy makes a huge raise and you know you'll never have fold equity if you 3b, you won't have pot odds to call either, and you'll have to fold (which sucks).

it's more standard to c/r than to lead for sure

because i'm super bored at work, i've decided to do some of the work for you and illustrate how much equity you have against a very narrow stack-off range (which you can adjust as you wish, but it's what i'm guessing the guy will 3b over a c/r with)


ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
38,610 trials (Exhaustive)
board: A♣8♠7♣
JcTc 40.70% (15,716 wins, 0 ties)
A8, A7, AKs, AA, 88, 77, 87 59.30% (22,894 wins, 0 ties)

Thanks a lot for good deep explanation !!!