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So I've realized that most of the money that I've lost is lost chasing flush draws.......most times i'll have like an Ace suited and the flop comes with 2 cards of that suite and the other to complete the flush seldom comes......like how do I get away from these hands? Is percentage for hitting a flush on draw low? or am I just running bad??? how do you guys play flush draws??? ......due to my limited bankroll I mostly play fixed limit games ($.50/1 mostly).....
 
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As far as I've learnt. Chasing flushes depends on how much it costs relative to the size of the pot. IF the probability of catching what you want is higher than the ratio of your call to the total pot (whats in the middle, plus their bet) then it is a profitable call. Someone may correct me on this and I'm in no position to teach as I make the same mistakes too.
 
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Pot odds, don't play suited aces unless you are in position and willing to play them aggressively to where your opponent can fold or you can hit your flush. Also find spots to bluff your missed draws on the river, do this with caution though.
 
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If you are purely chasing then the odds are approx 4/1 to hit your flush. You can take lower pot odds/implied odds if you think your opponent will pay you off when you hit.

Otherwise you can semibluff especially with an over card.
 
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If your opponent cannot be bluffed out, your flush draw is as good as junk.
 
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If you have a flush draw on the flop, the chances that you will come the fifth into the color is approx 35%. Maybe try to play no limit on already lower limit. In no limit you have more chance that opponent discards in the first or second bet, because you can bet more than the fixed limit games.
 
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You calculate your pot odds to get the raw picture if you should call or not and consider some implied odds. As any other draw, it's best to play in position so you can get tricky and extract the most value.

If you think you can get fold equity, you can rep a strong made hand and play the draw aggro. Unless your opponent is fairly strong, you probably won't get calls often. When do you get called, you know exactly where you are and if you hit your flush you'll be getting far more value than you would by calling.
 
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If you dont hit the flush on the flop you`d better play it low and dont go too deep. If you get cheap river and hit the flush it worths even if pot is not big.
 
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chasing flush is very unprofitable play rasie flush draws only when You have initiative and rasie it agianst constant vilian cbet ( when You have 4 cards in color at floop) never other way
 
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i play flush draw a slow because in 70% i play flush dont came. that way make a bet on flush but in flush draw i just check or call but dont reraise or bet a big bet...
 
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Flush draws need always difficult decisions, anyway it depends many factors on table, the most important for me is how many players are playing your hand.
 
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On the flip side of this how do I get you to fold a flush draw? I play a fair amount of 1/2 NL and I can count close to a dozen times where I go bust with AA, a set or, top 2 trying to push someone off of a flush draw. I have jammed 100+ into pots of 50-75 to try and get the flush draw to fold and it seems I only get called by flush draws and lose. I know most times I am the favorite but should I be play top 2 more slowly. In most cases my opponent has a similar stack to mine. Any suggestions? Keep playing aggressive or is it better to bet smaller folding once the flush card comes?
 
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On the flip side of this how do I get you to fold a flush draw? I play a fair amount of 1/2 NL and I can count close to a dozen times where I go bust with AA, a set or, top 2 trying to push someone off of a flush draw. I have jammed 100+ into pots of 50-75 to try and get the flush draw to fold and it seems I only get called by flush draws and lose. I know most times I am the favorite but should I be play top 2 more slowly. In most cases my opponent has a similar stack to mine. Any suggestions? Keep playing aggressive or is it better to bet smaller folding once the flush card comes?

Keep charging them, the best street to do this is on the turn because no matter how big the draw they are going to be a big dog to win.
 
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So I've realized that most of the money that I've lost is lost chasing flush draws.......most times i'll have like an Ace suited and the flop comes with 2 cards of that suite and the other to complete the flush seldom comes......like how do I get away from these hands? Is percentage for hitting a flush on draw low? or am I just running bad??? how do you guys play flush draws??? ......due to my limited bankroll I mostly play fixed limit games ($.50/1 mostly).....
on limit holdem always chase flushes as you always gets odds :cool:
 
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If you have a flush draw on the flop, the chances that you will come the fifth into the color is approx 35%. Maybe try to play no limit on already lower limit. In no limit you have more chance that opponent discards in the first or second bet, because you can bet more than the fixed limit games.

Yes this is so true............I use to be a no limit player......the problem with fixed limit is that no one really ever folds....so maybe i'll go back to NL...
 
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chasing flush is very unprofitable play rasie flush draws only when You have initiative and rasie it agianst constant vilian cbet ( when You have 4 cards in color at floop) never other way

Agreed...point taken
 
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chasing flush is very unprofitable play rasie flush draws only when You have initiative and rasie it agianst constant vilian cbet ( when You have 4 cards in color at floop) never other way

Certainly a good strategy. You will often get to see a free river card if your raise is called on the flop, can fold out cbets and can disguise your hand as top pair/ over pairs etc (villain will put you on a weaker hand than a flush at showdown).
 
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Its okay to chase flush draw on the flop but you really should learn to fold a flush draw on the turn.

The only time I ever fold a flush draw on the flop is when someone over bets the pot and I am not willing to raise. You do not call massive raises with flush draws, you either go all in or fold. On the turn I would often fold a flush draw.

From my experience hitting your flush on the turn is more well disguised than the river so that's also a factor in me not wanting to chase after the turn as the pay off is lower in that case.

Another important thing to remember is that you should not chase flush on a paired board.

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Flushes are overrated. If you play a winning weak tight strategy you'll quickly realize only 1/7 of the hands you play are suited.

Thing about the flush is that it can be so blindingly obvious even to the worse fishes.

To me flush draw is just an added value backup equity to be considered when you have a close spot. Chasing flush draws is pretty meh majority of the time
 
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instead of always chasing you need to mix in a few raises/semi bluffs
 
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If you're going to chase a flush, try to make sure you have a pair with a four flush, or straight draw with a flush, something like that. But your opponent still has to give you pot odds to make the draw legitimate. There are times where I'm catching cards that I ignore this, but not very often.
 
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On Saturday I had a hand where I had top pair with a flush draw, a straight draw and the turn gave me a draw to a full house..... Total brick on the river and lost my stack to an over pair lol

It happens.
 
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draw only when you're getting the correct pot odds or implied odds to do so profitably.
 
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In my experience, Limit players seem to fold much more than No Limit, no matter how low the stakes are
 
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Certainly a good strategy. You will often get to see a free river card if your raise is called on the flop, can fold out cbets and can disguise your hand as top pair/ over pairs etc (villain will put you on a weaker hand than a flush at showdown).

I disagree, flops with 2 suits on them that get raised are usually looked at as a semi bluff and it is not too often people raise flops with top pair. If I get raised on the flop with 2 suits I instantly think, overpair, set, 2 pair, or semibluff. If the turn or river puts a 3rd suit out there, I muck unless I have a set myself or an A blocker for the flush.
 
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