Flopping a straight

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  #1
10th July 2009, 5:00 PM
IhateRiver
 
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Game: holdem
Flopping a straight

Is it just me, or does this happen to anyone else?
You flop a straight, and by the river end up losing the hand to a flush, a full house, or a higher straight.....It may be my "bad beat" imagination, but is seems like a third of the time, at least, when I flop a straight, I end up losing the hand. After flopping it, it is hard not to slow play it a bit to extract value, but it just seems like it should hold up more than it does.
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  #2
11th July 2009, 12:23 AM
JulieK
 
You have to look at the texture of the board. If you have 23 and flop 456, you don't have a good hand. And like I told you in your other thread, you have to look at what draws somebody might have and bet enough to offer them bad pot odds for that draw.

I'll probably get attacked for this, but if you're playing with a big stack, then, regardless of the pot odds you offer, you might be offering good implied odds to the draw. This means that, if there's a 100 in the pot, and you think your opponant might be on a flush draw; you bet 100. That way you are offering your opponant a 100 call to make 300 on a 5-1 shot. That's bad pot odds. But if you have another 1000 in your stack behind that; the opponant might be looking at a 5-1 shot to make 1000 off his 100. This is why you might want to play (cringes in anticipation of the criticism to come) a short-stack, until you get a better feel for the game. If you only have 300 more behind your 100 bet, then you are offering bad odds to the draw, both in pot-odds and implied odds.
  #3
11th July 2009, 1:11 AM
BelgoSuisse
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Holdem
You limp too much. seriously.

And a flopped straight should be played super aggressively. a straighty board is primarily a drawy board, and drawy board call for aggressive action.
  #4
11th July 2009, 7:28 PM
left52side
 
Plays at: Full Tilt.
Game: holdem
re: Flopping a straight poker

Quote:
You limp too much. seriously.

And a flopped straight should be played super aggressively. a straighty board is primarily a drawy board, and drawy board call for aggressive action.
I agree 100 percent.
You don't want them drawing hands getting over you by the river.
You have to protect better.
  #5
12th July 2009, 5:56 AM
WORM
 
I agree with the above poster. Too many players think they have a hand won and try to not scare people off when actually your playing into there hands.
  #6
12th July 2009, 8:17 AM
RA2000
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: holdem
You probably bet to less!
Do not give your opponents the right odds to call.
If they do you get their chips and they make a mistake AND they will not call so often...
You you will not get beat so often!
  #7
13th July 2009, 8:28 PM
ludo90
 
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Game: Omaha
BelgoSuisse said what is supposed to be said!

Althugh julieK .. really .. if u have 2-3 and the flop is 4-5-6 YOU HAVE A FRIGGING GOOD HAND??? kidding me seriously.

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  #8
13th July 2009, 9:29 PM
JulieK
 
re: Flopping a straight poker

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Originally Posted by ludo90
Althugh julieK .. really .. if u have 2-3 and the flop is 4-5-6 YOU HAVE A FRIGGING GOOD HAND??? kidding me seriously.
I was quite serious when I said the ignorant end of a straight is not a good hand after the flop. You probably have the best hand at that point, but if you don't, you are probably going to get stacked if you play on. Wheras your chances of doubling up are slim by comparison. Face it, this hand is not going to improve, but it sure can get alot worse.

In the example hand, if the turn brings a 7 or 8, you're really in trouble.

Admittedly, holding 23 on a 456 flop is better than holding 89 on a TJQ flop, because there is more chance of people folding 7's and 8's than K's and A's.

I didn't even talk about whether the 456 flop was suited. There is a good chance there are going to be two suited cards in that flop, which makes the straight even worse.
 



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