| This is a discussion on flopped monster but could not get paid off within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Micro stakes, 6 handed. I am on SB with AQos. UTG raises to 2xBB. One call, two folds. I thought about reraising but have been ... |
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| flopped monster but could not get paid off Micro stakes, 6 handed. I am on SB with AQos. UTG raises to 2xBB. One call, two folds. I thought about reraising but have been burned in similar spots before when AQ doesn't hold up, so I decided to flat call. BB calls so four handed to flop, which comes AsQsQc. I checked, BB checked, UTG raises 3/4 of pot. Button folds. I thought about reraising, but decided to flat call after deliberating waiting for a bit hoping he had Ax or a Q. BB folds. Turn is Ks, so I hope UTG hit a flush or straight (just not royal flush LOL). I check. But he checks. River is a blank and I led out with a little less than half the pot. He folded right away. Looked like a bluff all the way or maybe small pair. ---- Should I have reraised him on the flop? Or perhaps bet the turn or check the river? |
| Play Texas Hold'em Online Poker | flopped monster but could not get paid off | |
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| Raise the flop. If he has something like KQ you'll likely stack him. If he has AA, you're getting stacked. Otherwise, he's just cbetting here and the pot is never getting bigger unless he has AK or AJ in which case you might get 1 more street of value. |
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| Yeah, it's hard to get paid off on a board like this unless he has AQ (as well), KQ, JQ, AA, KK. Flatting pre is fine OOP, as 3betting the UTG raise with AQo is pretty bad. I would def. overbet the flop for value. If he has the other Q (KQ JQ QT), he'll probably come in over the top. Obviously AA is going to get it all in, and that's just a cooler and a half. Check turn is fine, as he's likely to fire here, stats depending. |
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| Also, it's probably worth running the HH through a convertor ( http://www.cardschat.com/hand ) and posting it in the Ring Game subforum! |
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| re: flopped monster but could not get paid off poker If i was in your situation, i too would have limped which i think the best strategy against a bluffer when we have top hand... And more i would have wanted him to catch a flush, so i would have let him watch the turn cheaply... I would like to say that the UTG played very good there, as its not easy to fold to a post river bet after double betting and 3/4 pot raise initially... Well u both played correctly from wat i see... Very nice strategies by both of you. |
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| That’s the disappointing thing, I had checked my tablemates’ profiles on ptr.com as I sat down. This particular guy was supposed to be a loose aggressive maniac. Maybe I should have min. raised him on the flop. He would likely have called if I took my time and reraised him. Then I could put in a small bet on the turn and see what he does. |
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| re: flopped monster but could not get paid off poker I would raise the flop. If I were him I'd think "Why would he raise here? Maybe he wants to know if I have the queen. Okay, he's either got an ace or he's being sneaky." Also, if he is bluffing, he might call this street just to prove he's not able to be pushed around. Depends on his stats, your read on his style (obv your read on his cards doesn't matter here.) I had the same problem, except I was in BB at a loose table with KT. Flop comes KTT. Ugh. Checked the flop, bet the turn. I guess nobody improved on the Q that came out, which surprised me actually. Flopping a boat is hard to get paid unless somebody has trips. |
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| Big hand,big pot Yup agree with other posters, genuine monsters dont come along too often so when you hit a monster, you gotta start building a pot. As other posters have alluded to, you must assume he has something to come along with. why? because if he has nothing you weren't going to make any $$ anyway. Definately lead out on the flop next time. |
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| re: flopped monster but could not get paid off poker Think you hit it, he was bluffing. Tight tables are hard to get paid off on good hands. Quote:
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| Preflop: ok (if he's loose and aggressive, AQ is ahead of his range.) Flop: ok (check/calling is best here. He's likely to make cbets most of the time to try and take down pots. A bet on the flop will be seen and likely to make every one fold. unless they have Qx/AA/KK.) Turn: BAD (I'd take a stab at this and hope he reraises if he has anything. This works quite well if u float alot. People will give up on the turn after they've met resistance on the flop that they are likely to check/fold on the Turn.) River: If he called ur Turn bet then ur likely to jus bet the pot or over bet this. He's either folding or paying u off. Unless he has AA/KK/JsTs <-- that'd jus b a cooler. By check calling the flop u've gave him enough info for him to realise that his hand is rubbish. Plus he has pos so he can controll the pot if he feels like not puttin in anymore money. U've gotta let some of the maniacs hang them selfs sometimes but u miss out on alot of money by checking and hopin sum1 will bet when u have a monster. It's easier jus to nut peddel and keep on betting. Someone will make a mistake soon. |
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| when you flop a monster like that, flat calling is only good if you want to induce another bet on the turn or river... problem is that AQQ on the flop is statistically terrible for your LAG opponent. The most you can hope he has is an ace, more likely he had pocket 9s. Reraise the flop, if he had an ace he would call, if he didnt and folded you probably wouldnt have gotten any more money out of him anyways. |
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| re: flopped monster but could not get paid off poker salim > when u say 'u probly wouldnt have got anymore money out of him anyways', what about inducing a bet by letting him hit something on the turn or river so he will think he has the best hand and at the same time make him think u dont have anything because u checked turn and river. |
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| I'm surprised no one's really mentioned leading the flop-- imo c/c-ing or c/r-ing on this type of flop shows so much more strength than donking it. Dan Harrington talks about this play in Vol. III. He says when we lead out, our opponents are more likely to think we're just trying to steal the pot on a scary board. Then, Harrington says to consider checking the turn (rather than the flop), hoping to induce a bet from worse hands. Obviously, the hand doesn't have to be played this way, but it's an interesting line, and definitely has some merit to it. Like lots of others said, it's generally gonna be hard to get action on this board. PS, I think flatting in a multi-way pot out-of-position is fine, since we probably can't take it down pre, and we're screwed when we whiff on the flop (obviously that didn't happen in this hand ). |
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What hand could villain have here that he would assume could beat anything? I'm guessing it was an easy fold. |
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