After some time playing SNG´s/Mtts get to the point to not feel the game any more, get burned and really need to change of game, so what better to try real poker. I try a challenge to get 1000 18man/$3.50 with at least 10% roi months back and challenge was complete. I think having my own thread could be the best way to keep me motivaded again.

Never really try cash game before, probably less than 500 hands in 2-3years period, really are a fish on this, but this month for some reason play a session like 30 minutes and even when lose feel great playing poker, 2nd day play again, lose again but still feel the rush and emotion again for play poker, so decide to stick to cash for some time.

Been reading some threads here and in 2+2 lately and learning everyday, will post graphs in next post, very small numbers of hands but just to start from here.

Playing 2nl FR on Pokerstars, only 3K hands so far (10 days), start playing 2 tables, then next day go with 4, then after that go to 5, now im playing 6, will try to stay with 6 some time before try more.


Day by Day

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daybyday.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39833&d=1315982474)

Hands

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hands so far.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39834&d=1315982474)

BM for this.

2nl - 20 buyins
5nl - 25 buyins
10nl - 30 buyins

Will see from there.

Have the BR to play 5nl but decide to start with 2nl because have so much time playing donkaments than prefer to spew in 2nl for some time before move up.

Will see this weekend if feel ok to make the jump.

Cheers.

subscribing, gl bud.

your big font hurts my eyes

subscribing

Thanks guys.


Today load 934 hands, 2h45m played, most hands loaded so far in a day. Having some issues to leave/search for tables after others sit out or tables get short, i guess just need to get used to. Aside of that been ok so far. Couple hands from today.



Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)
SB: $1.69
BB Hero: $2
UTG: $0.62
UTG+1: $2.34
MP: $2.02
MP+1: $1.54
CO: $0.94
BTN: $2.43
Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 4 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, UTG calls $0.06, SB folds

Turn: ($0.20) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

River: ($0.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

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UTG shows (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Outcome: UTG wins $0.86

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Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
SB: $2.34
BB: $1.35
UTG: $1.93
UTG+1: $2.44
MP Hero: $2
MP+1: $0.76
MP+2: $2.54
CO: $0.42
BTN: $1.93

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP and dealt
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, CO calls $0.07, BTN folds, SB calls $0.06, BB folds

Flop: ($0.23) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15, SB raises to $2.27 (All-in), Hero calls $1.78 (All-in), CO calls $0.20 (All-in), SB returned $0.34

Turn: ($4.44) (3 players)

River: ($4.44) (3 players)

Final Pot: $4.44

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Showdown:
SB shows (two pair, aces and queens)
Hero shows (a straight, Ten to Ace)
CO mucked [Ts Th]
Outcome: Hero wins $3
Outcome: Hero wins $1.22

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Day ended: +$2.59

nice work logan. how many tables do you play? and do you only play 9max?

Good to see another FR'er, well done moving to proper poker will follow this gl.

Originally Posted by KerouacsDog

nice work logan. how many tables do you play? and do you only play 9max?

Playing 6 tables at the time, and yes i only play 9max, and only the "faster" format.

My reasons to play only 9max is because need to play looser in 6 max which is not ok with my way of play. You have more variance in 6 max which is not cool. In 6max blinds hit you faster (meaning pay more rake, need to steal more, etc. and if some one is sitout or go out end with 4-5 players so blinds hit you even faster). You can play more tables with 9max.

Originally Posted by acky100

Good to see another FR'er, well done moving to proper poker will follow this gl.

Thanks Acky

Short session, only 162 hands, ended session: +$2.81



Big pot hand.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em
SB: $5
BB: $1
UTG: $6.17
MP: $0.91
MP+1 Hero: $2.25
CO: $7.70
BTN: $6.62
jaccagerman - Sitting Out
Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 3 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.09) (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.16, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds, UTG raises to $1.78, Hero raises to $2.23 (All-in), UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($4.55) (2 players)

River: ($4.55) (2 players)

Showdown:
UTG shows (two pair, nines and sixes)
Hero shows (a set of sixes)
Outcome: Hero wins $4.33

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Need to go out, will play another session in couple hours.

You've gone to the dark side GL
Subscribing

Very cool! wish you all the best;
i like your reasoning regarding playing FR v. SH. Traffic is so slow where i'm playing so i have to actually mix in order just to get 4 tabes at once. . .

Originally Posted by acky100

Good to see another FR'er, well done moving to proper poker

Just another slight adjustment to 6max and the transformation will be complete! lol

Following too mate, gl.

Originally Posted by the lab man

You've gone to the dark side GL
Subscribing

LOL, i think that finally come to the light

Tx. (and H Bday).

Originally Posted by taaron

Very cool! wish you all the best;
i like your reasoning regarding playing FR v. SH. Traffic is so slow where i'm playing so i have to actually mix in order just to get 4 tables at once. . .

Thank you.

Yea, sucks for you guys, hope that get fixed soon.

Originally Posted by Cafeman31

Just another slight adjustment to 6max and the transformation will be complete! lol

Following too mate, gl.

LOL Tx.



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Play another session, 469 hands, some mistakes and bad cards, was a point that was close to 1BI down, have the chance to get back a little.
Second Session End: -$0.72
Total day results: 631 hands/ +$2.09

Will post a graph tomorrow when reach 5k hands.

Originally Posted by /Logan/

Playing 6 tables at the time, and yes i only play 9max, and only the "faster" format.

My reasons to play only 9max is because need to play looser in 6 max which is not ok with my way of play. You have more variance in 6 max which is not cool. In 6max blinds hit you faster (meaning pay more rake, need to steal more, etc. and if some one is sitout or go out end with 4-5 players so blinds hit you even faster). You can play more tables with 9max.

yeah Im thinking of concentrating on 9max, as thats what Im used to in mtts/sngs.

First session: 283 hands, -$3.74

Very deserved tbh, play really bad.


This is one of the hands, villain was 52/32 /A:5/3B:22/H:25
Please tell me all the mistakes, probably more than 2.



Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
SB: $4.12
BB: $1.81
UTG: $0.82
UTG+1: $0.81
MP: $0.80
MP+1 Hero: $2.14
MP+2: $3.16
CO: $0.71
BTN: $2.69

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.09, MP+2 raises to $0.21, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.47) (2 players)
Hero checks, MP+2 checks

Turn: ($0.47) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.32, MP+2 calls $0.32

River: ($1.11) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.53, MP+2 raises to $2.63 (All-in), Hero calls $1.08 (All-in), MP+2 returned $1.02

Spoiler

Showdown:
MP+2 shows (ace-high flush)
Outcome: MP+2 wins $4.12

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Today is a Holiday in here, so have the chance to play a couple more sessions.

Thanks for the thread, and GL to you Logan...

Second Session: 313 hands, -$1.84





Still not tilt, so gona spew some more

Last session was great, +$2.04, then for a second think will be back to save the day, but...


Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)
SB: $2.11
BB Hero: $2
UTG: $2.20
UTG+1: $1.26
MP: $3.43
MP+1: $2
MP+2: $1.54
CO: $4.99
BTN: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.06, MP folds, MP+1 raises to $0.22, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2 (All-in), UTG+1 calls $1.20 (All-in), MP+1 calls $1.78 (All-in)

Flop: ($5.27) (3 players)

Turn: ($5.27) (3 players)

River: ($5.27) (3 players)

Final Pot: $5.27

Showdown:
Hero shows (two pair, aces and jacks)
MP+1 shows (a full house, kings full of jacks)
UTG+1 shows (two pair, queens and jacks)
Outcome: MP+1 wins $1.40
Outcome: MP+1 wins $3.61






3rd Session: +0.04

Total day: 848 hands / -$5.54


Tomorrow will be better.

yep, be positive, tomorrow will be better, maybe AA will hold................

Subscribing, wish you luck.

I followed your SNG 18 man thread so this should be good too.

Goodluck Logan!

Thanks K, yep, every day is a new day. I read that you stick with 4 tables of only 9max, good for you man.


Wasup ramdeebam. See your thread about the busto with Hypers/Tilt, how you doing lately?.
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Well, yesterday night want to play another session and things keep running very bad, at the end of the session lose 3 all ins in like 1 minute, trips vs trips, KK vs AA, and air vs flush. 3 buyins less to End the day with 6 buyins down which pretty much put me back to start again., nothing to do aside of keep positive and try to improve.


Today things get a little better, decide to cut 1 table to be more focus and load only 5, play 2 short sessions, both sessions ended positive, 1st session end +$1.05, 2nd session just +$0.08 but better than nothing, total is +$1.13 in 374 hands. Not sure if play later.


Run gooods People !!!

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man, she'd have me running good all the time!
GL Logan.

Originally Posted by KerouacsDog

man, she'd have me running good all the time!
GL Logan.

+1^

Ya i think the best thing i could possible say is; to just stay positive; and play
smart; i've realized in my cash game adventure how different it is to SnG play.
I mean you know what I'm saying, principles/ most elements the same but,
My graph after having great results on first 800 hands; took a gross nosedive,
from which i'm still trying to come up above the +/- $0 line;

I have a lot of live game experience, but online is a whole other animal. . ..
Once you've made the "adjustment" you should be great, i'm still trying to make that adjustment myself. . . .

Agree with you taaron. My graph last 1000 hands looks like a free fall and lose all earn it in previews 5k hands.The last year or more been playing only turbo SNG´s, this push to focus more on stack sizes, icm and push/fold game, so my postflop game is kind of rusty. I just need to study and practice more.


Anyway, play another short session, 208 hands, +$0.67. So, all 3 sessions today ended positive which is nice, back to green numbers in total graph.


Total Day: 582 hands / +$1.80

whats ur br at Logan, and when would you plan to move up to the next level?

Have around 24BI for 5nl, but i think that still not ready to jump.

Results so far.

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2011-sept-18-6.9khandsgraph.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39923&d=1316398698)

You can see that still have a lot of leaks.


Day by Day so far.

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2011-sept-18-6.9khandsgraphdaybyday.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39924&d=1316398698)

Also can see that pretty much 1 day is what screw all (16).


Last 2 days been reading a lot which is one of the reasons why playing so small sessions, some very interesting links.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...micros-430637/

This is a most read, but will take some time to read all.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ntents-397190/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...y-posts-98125/

And last 600 hands.

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last600.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39925&d=1316399934)

Today play just 1 hour/ 4 tabling/ 212 hands / +$1.92

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today.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39926&d=1316399934)

Now, the thing is that i know can´t really make any conclusion because is a really lolmao example size. I know that the 14-15 was in a heater because was hitting everything, was hitting every set and every flop, so in a way the 16 was just variance getting even because that day was cooler after cooler most of the time (probably should stop playing after couple buyins down).

But last 2 days been different, not really hitting all, but taking advantaje of table selecting, more position aware, more stats aware, stealing more, 3bet more to steals, cbetting more, etc. still have leaks, still want to improve, so not sure if is really better to wait to like 10-15k hands at least and keep learning/improving for cheap, or just trow a couple 5nl tables mixed with 2-3/2nl and see from there.

Personally I would take a couple of shots at 5nl and see how I got on. Nice links, thanks, will take a look at them before playing today.
GL Logan.

Self note to raise pre over limpers if decide to play a hand.




Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)

SB: $2.73
BB: $2.24
UTG: $3.95
UTG+1: $4.71
MP: $4.94
MP+1: $5
CO: $11.10
BTN Hero: $5.14
slynki - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP folds, MP+1 calls $0.05, CO folds, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.25) (5 players)
SB bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.37, SB raises to $0.60, BB raises to $2.19 (All-in), Hero folds, SB calls $1.59

Turn: ($5) (2 players)

River: ($5) (2 players)

Final Pot: $5

Showdown:
SB shows (a straight, three to seven)
BB shows (two pair, sixes and foures)
Outcome: SB wins $4.76

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Also, a 4bet is always Aces/kings in 2nl you stupid ****


Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (7 players)

SB: $4.04
BB: $0.68
UTG: $1.45
MP: $0.71
MP+1 Hero: $2
CO: $1.54
BTN: $1.63
davidhtp - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.05) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
UTG raises to $0.08, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.21, 4 folds, UTG raises to $0.54, Hero calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.11) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.91 (All-in), Hero calls $0.91

Turn: ($2.93) (2 players)

River: ($2.93) (2 players)

Final Pot: $2.93

Showdown:
UTG shows (two pair, aces and threes)
Hero shows (two pair, queens and threes)
Outcome: UTG wins $2.79


Still not so bad session.

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

Originally Posted by taaron

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

SMH. . .lol.. . . .meant to add that i did the same dam thing the other day w/ JJ; let him river to a flush. . .i just played it all wrong. . .o well. . .thats what i'm here for. . .to learn, learn some more, and APPLY. . .

Originally Posted by taaron

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

I don´t think is "normal", take this with a pinch of salt but the reason to such swings are because we suck!! LOL

Tbh, i think the reason is because been playing more marginal hands/spots than should be, which put me in tricky spots and more flip situations increasing variance.

But we are here to improve so is ok.

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In other things, another QQ hand but now on 5nl


Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)

SB: $5.21
BB: $1.27
UTG: $2.11
UTG+1: $5.18
MP: $4.09
MP+1: $10.54
MP+2 Hero: $5
CO: $5.32
BTN: $6.28

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP+2 and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.37, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.81) (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.54, UTG+1 raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.66

Turn: ($3.21) (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.43 (All-in), UTG+1 calls $1.68

River: ($10.07) (2 players)

Final Pot: $10.07

Showdown:
UTG+1 shows (a pair of jacks)
Hero shows (two pair, queens and jacks)
Outcome: Hero wins $9.58


My first stacked in 5nl weeeeeee

sweeeeeeet!. . .we must both be on it today. . . i'm +16. . . .go man.. . . go!

o yeah.. about the other point. . .i know. . .LOL. . .

+16 in 2nl?, damn, jump to 5nl and take some juice from the heater lol, keep it up mate.

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Well, first day of mixing 2nl/5nl was good.

In 2nl after been -$1.40 or something like that with the QQ hand, manage to get back a little and ended just some cents down which is ok.

In 5nl not much happen, people say that 2nl/5nl are the same and super easy, but from the small amount of time played i find it really different, people limp a lot less, 3bet more, fold a lot more, i think from 8 times i raise was not call it once (in 2nl probably will be called half time), in general you have more tight people in tables. So pretty much you are sitting there stealing every orbit to not get blind it out and waiting to hit one hand and be pay. Still was a good start, not play much hands so winning almost 1buyin was more than good.


Results for the day: 585 hands / +4.66

Results by stakes.
sept19.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39943&d=1316472654)

Originally Posted by /Logan/

I don´t think is "normal", take this with a pinch of salt but the reason to such swings are because we suck!! LOL

Tbh, i think the reason is because been playing more marginal hands/spots than should be, which put me in tricky spots and more flip situations increasing variance.

But we are here to improve so is ok.

My first stacked in 5nl weeeeeee

GL Logan! I'll be following your thread.

I also experience pretty harsh swings, its normal for 'beginners' I think

The guy with AKs played the hand like a maniac lol

@ Micromachine. Thanks, yea but not so big like in donkaments which is great.

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Played 2 sessions today, manage to load 900+ hands which is good, card dead most of the day and some suckouts but in general ok aside of results.


2nl - 1st and 2nd session
20sept2nl.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39965&d=1316572401)

5nl - 1st and 2nd session.
20sept5nl.jpg (http://www.cardschat.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=39966&d=1316572401)

So far getting better results in 5nl than 2nl, i think people is so trigger happy in 2nl than increase variance a lot. Tomorrow will try only 5nl and see how it goes