First hour of a free roll

#36 28-05-2005, 8:43 PM

i would have to agree with almost everything juiceeq posted on this topic don't believe i could have replied a better responce than what juice said... that is why i like playing in the forum free rolls because you usually get players here and other forums that r serious about their game,.and you don't have to deal with the idiot players of open to all free rolls at different sites for i have grown to accept those kinda players if i'm in a open to all roll and it irritates me but also makes me a stronger player i think as well!!

#37 29-05-2005, 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swervin4

i would have to agree with almost everything juiceeq posted on this topic don't believe i could have replied a better responce than what juice said... that is why i like playing in the forum free rolls because you usually get players here and other forums that r serious about their game,.and you don't have to deal with the idiot players of open to all free rolls at different sites for i have grown to accept those kinda players if i'm in a open to all roll and it irritates me but also makes me a stronger player i think as well!!

Hey swervin! Do you play at bospoker? I think I've seen you there! I play under my husbands account "Snake Face". He, of course, plays too....lol If so, see you at the freerolls!

#38 29-05-2005, 5:58 AM

one of the things i like to do is slow play, let the timer run on my tables, for the most part the majority of the people make the cash at my tables.

eric

#39 29-05-2005, 9:53 AM

for me at least i perfere to be able to play as many hands as possible to give myself a better chance of actually getting to play. Plus taking extra time on purspose makes you get through a lot fewer hands on the low blinds and makes most people upset with you.

#40 29-05-2005, 7:02 PM

ya i hate the noobs, they almost always ruin it, like everytime they go all in they win, even 2 5 off vs aa, happens all the time

#41 29-05-2005, 7:22 PM

loved ur read mate
heared few simillar things in past but 2 go into depth like that helps give me more insight

#42 30-05-2005, 2:17 AM

Noob's...

Are you all sure that you were never one???

Have you allways been fantastic players??? Surelly you have passed buy this situation "on the other side"... and maybe some of us are still in that "other side"...
Have you ever think about this?

#43 30-05-2005, 10:32 PM

Good tips, seems to me that being willing & able to fold the best hand is one of the marks of a good player.

#44 31-05-2005, 4:47 PM

Wow, what a great thread. I recently began playing freerolls and I started to wonder if some of these people even knew what game we were playing or if they were just hitting the buttons for fun! lol.

I try to learn the play styles of the people at my table in the first hour. I have come to the conclusion that the most patient players often do better. I have played a few real money tournaments (for small amounts) and find that even a little bit of money at stake makes people play very differently.

#45 31-05-2005, 5:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by respira

very nice post...my strategy is i play tight passive and this almost always gets me to the second hour. the next couple of hours I play tight aggressive...After that is when I loose it. when I am like 20-40 people out of the money. My game goes down the tubes. I've tried loose aggressive, tight aggressive, loose passive and tight passive...nothing works. like last night I was in a tourney that paid 30 seats..and of course I went out 38th. Any advice would be appreciated

noobs bes way to deal with them is to wind them up and slowly they lose concentration and go all in on a 2 7 unsuited when u have aa

#46 31-05-2005, 5:15 PM

Play agressive!! You have nothing to lose.

#47 31-05-2005, 5:30 PM

Patience....Patience....Patience...freerolls automatically mean lots of less seasoned players which can be a huge advantage if you are patient enough, long enough.
B Huey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenobias

How do you battle the crappy and loose players in freerolls? I'll post some of my strategy here.

I like to call the crappy players "noobs" So thats who I mean when I say that.

Noobs can be catagorized:

All-in noob--this guy just waits to go all in on you..he will use any hand what so ever..90% of the time its a very marginal hand. his main goal is to go all in as often as possible.

Loco noob-This guy is rude and low class. When he loses he will attempt to get you into a profanity filled argumant. He loves to use verbal intimidation and sexual harassment. he especially loves to verbally attack women, he feels they shouldnt even be playing. When he wins he gloats, for the same reason, to get you into an argument. he loves to go all caps.

411 noob- this guy almost never folds. he will call you down with a high card. he will fold only when he has to go all in to call you. his favorite hand is an ACE with anything else. He will go all in one you with a pocket full of paint.

Z noob-This guy has no patience whats so ever. You can tell which player is him by all the Z's he fills up your chat window with. the 15 sec decision window is too much time for him. He'll mumble and grumble about the pace of the game..and you''l see "lets go!" "pick a button", "wake up", "get dsl" etc.
this guy is the easiest to beat..all you need to do is wait 14 secs before each play and he'll get so frustrated he'll bet himself out, or try to get you all in with crap hands.

The best weapon against the noob is patience. this works very well in playmoney tables. But, be prepared to sit for a long time. Fold 90% of your hands and only play the top ten.

next: never play more than 2 games at the same time. You need to witness each and every hand so if a noob lasts into the later rounds you will be better prepared to beat him. You see that one noob raises 3 times the big blind with mid pairs and goes all in with stuff like 6 2. Later you see he went all in and you hold a J10..good chance you will beat him knowing what you know ( there is a really good chance he has nothing)

I break the tourneys into 4 parts: First hour, second hour, 3rd hour, and final table.

This post is about the first hour:

Obviously your main goal is to win the freeroll. But your secondary goal is to outlast or beat the noobs in the game. Since I understand the noob will play any 2 cards, I follow a strick regimen in the first hour. My goal is to reach the first break. I have seen 50% of registered players dissappear by the first break.

I know that a board of 2 6 10 will give me a very poor showing with my pocket full of paint when I'm up against a noob. he has probably paired his junk and most likely it's the 2 and he is just laying in wait to bring you all in and early.

I play only the top ten hands during this time

I never go all in pre flop: yes this means I will fold aa and kk. If I can see a flop with a call or small raise and the board trips me, then I'll go all in. If I don't hit then I'll play warily, with calls and small raises..always prepared to fold the "best hand". You need to be able to fold the best hand. What your looking for here is for the noobs to take out the noobs. This also gaurentees I'll make the first break.

Now once in a while my intuition will take over and I'll change my style of play for that one hand. Never overlook your intuition.

I never bluff during this time. Noobs don't know the word bluff. They never think you can beat them. They truly believe they are the best player at the table.

I never rise to an argument but I will always point out how moronic typing Z';s is..this usually illicits responses of affirmation from other players and pisses the noob off, making him more vulnerable to a major mistake.

Periodically I will sit out and give myself a minute or two to collect my thoughts..I watch the play but since I don't need to make any decisions I can concentrate more on what others are doing. I am not concerned about missing a major hand because I have seen and have been victim to a really powerful hand bieng shot down on the river with junk. My most hated hand is the 6 2 off suit, I went all in with aa and then with kk pre flop and was noob called with that hand both times. Both times I was beaten on the river with a two pair. Damn noobs!

Always try to leave every game, win or lose, having learned something. About the game, or maybe a new strategy, or something you noticed about another player. Use your player notes. They will help.

Post soem of your strategies..I'll post some of mine for hour 2 later.

Kudos to lots of your advice... I agree. One of the most noteworty and often overlooked is the "player notes"... I use these alot... and it really pays off; especially if you're playing at the same site all the time... my notes pop up all the time and I clearly remember what a fool this guy or that guy was etc. I highly reccomend using this tool!
B Huey

#48 31-05-2005, 5:39 PM

one, def. play some marginal hands while the blinds are so low and people seem to be cautious in the beginning. You may lose 20 chips, but every one in a while you find something and it pays out big. Also, dont be afraid to go all in when you feel you have the best hand, people don't wanna be the first one out, and you can scare alot of them, even if they have low two pair, flush draw, or sumthin good enough to beat or eventually beat you. I just love them cuz they are fun, can't wait for the next one...

#49 31-05-2005, 6:10 PM

Wow, never going all in pre-flop? Sorry, but I believe you'll never do well in a large tournament with out a little gamble in your blood. I will go so far as to say there are some circumstances when you need to fold AA preflop, but these are rare cases where you are on the threshold of bigger money or one or two places from qualifying in a satellite. These are two situations where you may choose not call for all your money, especially when more than on other person is already in the pot.

Free-rolls are the last place to act like "scared money." Enjoy them for what they are: a place to hone your skills with a table full of would be Gus Hansens. Anyway, 90% of the loosest are generally gone within the first 4 levels.

GL,
Blimp

#50 31-05-2005, 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenobias

How do you battle the crappy and loose players in freerolls? I'll post some of my strategy here.

I like to call the crappy players "noobs" So thats who I mean when I say that.

Noobs can be catagorized:

All-in noob--this guy just waits to go all in on you..he will use any hand what so ever..90% of the time its a very marginal hand. his main goal is to go all in as often as possible.

Loco noob-This guy is rude and low class. When he loses he will attempt to get you into a profanity filled argumant. He loves to use verbal intimidation and sexual harassment. he especially loves to verbally attack women, he feels they shouldnt even be playing. When he wins he gloats, for the same reason, to get you into an argument. he loves to go all caps.

411 noob- this guy almost never folds. he will call you down with a high card. he will fold only when he has to go all in to call you. his favorite hand is an ACE with anything else. He will go all in one you with a pocket full of paint.

Z noob-This guy has no patience whats so ever. You can tell which player is him by all the Z's he fills up your chat window with. the 15 sec decision window is too much time for him. He'll mumble and grumble about the pace of the game..and you''l see "lets go!" "pick a button", "wake up", "get dsl" etc.
this guy is the easiest to beat..all you need to do is wait 14 secs before each play and he'll get so frustrated he'll bet himself out, or try to get you all in with crap hands.

The best weapon against the noob is patience. this works very well in playmoney tables. But, be prepared to sit for a long time. Fold 90% of your hands and only play the top ten.

next: never play more than 2 games at the same time. You need to witness each and every hand so if a noob lasts into the later rounds you will be better prepared to beat him. You see that one noob raises 3 times the big blind with mid pairs and goes all in with stuff like 6 2. Later you see he went all in and you hold a J10..good chance you will beat him knowing what you know ( there is a really good chance he has nothing)

I break the tourneys into 4 parts: First hour, second hour, 3rd hour, and final table.

This post is about the first hour:

Obviously your main goal is to win the freeroll. But your secondary goal is to outlast or beat the noobs in the game. Since I understand the noob will play any 2 cards, I follow a strick regimen in the first hour. My goal is to reach the first break. I have seen 50% of registered players dissappear by the first break.

I know that a board of 2 6 10 will give me a very poor showing with my pocket full of paint when I'm up against a noob. he has probably paired his junk and most likely it's the 2 and he is just laying in wait to bring you all in and early.

I play only the top ten hands during this time

I never go all in pre flop: yes this means I will fold aa and kk. If I can see a flop with a call or small raise and the board trips me, then I'll go all in. If I don't hit then I'll play warily, with calls and small raises..always prepared to fold the "best hand". You need to be able to fold the best hand. What your looking for here is for the noobs to take out the noobs. This also gaurentees I'll make the first break.

Now once in a while my intuition will take over and I'll change my style of play for that one hand. Never overlook your intuition.

I never bluff during this time. Noobs don't know the word bluff. They never think you can beat them. They truly believe they are the best player at the table.

I never rise to an argument but I will always point out how moronic typing Z';s is..this usually illicits responses of affirmation from other players and pisses the noob off, making him more vulnerable to a major mistake.

Periodically I will sit out and give myself a minute or two to collect my thoughts..I watch the play but since I don't need to make any decisions I can concentrate more on what others are doing. I am not concerned about missing a major hand because I have seen and have been victim to a really powerful hand bieng shot down on the river with junk. My most hated hand is the 6 2 off suit, I went all in with aa and then with kk pre flop and was noob called with that hand both times. Both times I was beaten on the river with a two pair. Damn noobs!

Always try to leave every game, win or lose, having learned something. About the game, or maybe a new strategy, or something you noticed about another player. Use your player notes. They will help.

Post soem of your strategies..I'll post some of mine for hour 2 later.

yo bro i agree 100% ive always hated first hour or 2 ive even gone as far aslayingdown big hands to someone that goes all in till he busts.....dragon

#51 31-05-2005, 10:52 PM

Xeno, you must have balls of steel to be folding AA. I question your roll in society promoting NOOB on NOOB crime, lol....very good insight into the 1st hour of freerolls, gonna try it!

#52 01-06-2005, 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mufc

noobs bes way to deal with them is to wind them up and slowly they lose concentration and go all in on a 2 7 unsuited when u have aa

no wot u mean
only 2day got 23rd wen needed 18th.then 35th wen needed 20th
many times b4 2
av same troubles.think my prob is wen a lot at stake and blinds get huge im not as genorous with my chips and this is wen every hand i fold comes in and every 1 i play doesnt.need more strength in my chasing of cards or my bluffing
only comes wiv time i suppose.mayb u similar.

#53 01-06-2005, 8:47 PM

the first hour is brutal,always.alot of check/fold I'll take a few pots if i can but i play a pretty consevitive game untill the first break when most of the noobs are gone.

#54 01-06-2005, 8:47 PM

wow it wierd seeing you tlak bout noobs n then it says newbie rite undername but i understand lol ur correct on the info

#55 02-06-2005, 1:43 AM

I agree with playing conservatively to outlast these so called "noobs" but I don't think you can take that strategy too far. I think that if you are an experienced play you should use that advantage to make some serious chips by taking advantage of their styles. Why wait until only quality players are left to make your move. For proof look at the guys with the huge stacks at the end of the first hour and I bet you that allot more of them are still around 2 hours later than the people hanging back doubling their stack once in the first hour... just a thought.

#56 02-06-2005, 3:59 AM

wow great post, I was wondering if anyone else is having difficulty staying in the running with about 14 ppl left in the tourney. I always lose chips here before the final tables.

#57 22-06-2005, 6:57 PM

Who really cares about freeroll strategy? If you have that much thought and energy, try real money.

#58 22-06-2005, 9:24 PM

There's nothing I hate more than those idiots that go All In constantly with nothing.

#59 23-06-2005, 12:22 AM

got caught by one of your noobs today....1st hand of tourney pocket AA in small blind
all in bet by noob form 3rd position I called he had 83 off hit running 3's on 4th on 5th st what can u do....

#60 23-06-2005, 6:20 AM

I hear ya. I have been out in the first few hands matching a pre-flop all-in with AA or KK, only to get beat by lucky crap. Of course, you have to first think, "What if I go out the first ten minutes?" Sometimes I don't really care, but once I was really looking forward to the freeroll and was ticked at myself for being so reckless.

A few days ago, I was TRYING to go out since I had to pick up a pizza. Got a few good to marginal hands and got really aggresive. Won a bunch of points, then got the pizza, ate with my family, then remembered, "Oh - I am in a freeroll." My stack had gone down quite a bit, so I tried loose-agressive again for the heck of it. Damned if I didn't luck out. Finished in the top 2.5%. So you never know what can happen ... which is what makes Hold Em so great.

#61 23-06-2005, 12:26 PM

Thats a good guide Xenobias, your playing stratergies are duly noted, thank you. Joking, its a good guide, thats almost the same as how I like to play my hands in a freeroll. Good job. Usually you can spot a noob on a table almost immediately by the way they bet. Foul-mouthed ones are a bit tricky tho, Ive met alot of these morons who arent really noobs but just like to piss you off and put you on tilt by taunting at you. I just put these on ignore and laugh at them when they get beat. (By turning the whole table against them, they usually do). The Z noobs as u call them are usually in the same category as the foul mouthed ones. The calling noobs are necessary for my chip stack build, so Im not complaning. The all in ones usually dont last long enough till I get a good hand, theyre more like a bonus jackpot for me if I get a good hand early.

#62 26-06-2005, 8:23 PM

Ladies and gentlemen,

I read several post's but 90% of them are only to get to the 15 post needed for the freeroll password's.

IS NOT THE FIRST HOUR THAT MATHERS... THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME IN A FREEROOL IS WHEN THERE IS ONLY ONE PLAYER TO BE ELIMINATED BEFORE THE MONEY START'S TO ENTER ON OUR ACCOUNT!!!

Njdsousa

#63 26-06-2005, 8:54 PM

i agree with most of what u say but ocassionly i am one of those zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzguys but only after the same player consistly takes too long (usually because he is playing to many games) not if the guys got a real decision

#64 26-06-2005, 9:02 PM

Am I only one who finds heads-up is like a new game itself? It's way different opposed to three or more players. Other than that I break the tourney down like you do. First hour, second hour, third hour, final table, heads up. I sometimes let the noobs deal with eachother. I don't care if a noob has 10k while everyone else at the table has 1.5k. Before you know it he goes all in on K2 suited (becuase if it's suited, it's holy) and bust out half way through. Nothing is more fustrating than a noob pushing you all in when you have AQ to their J9 suited, only for them to nail a pair of 9's on the river.

#65 26-06-2005, 9:07 PM

When the noobs hit lucky draws to make their garbage into gold, tell 'em "good call" or something like that. You want them to do it again next time, and to bring in their friends who are even worse.

#66 28-06-2005, 10:28 PM

Basically early on instead of making the same mistake as them you wait for the big hand and instead of going all in you keep 5 or 6 people with you. Mainly do this when you hit a flush or the top 2 pair, then you bet about 4 times the blinds and everyone will call with there draws. When you realize almost everyone missed their hand or called with a mid 2 pair or so thats when you all in on the last card there is already a ton in the pot and normally you get far more then just winning a all in bet with 2 people normally youre stack will become 3 times to 5 times as big because you didn't immediately go all in with the nuts or one of the top 3 hands. After that your basically good for the first hour just pick up a few small pots when you need to and avoid all ins unless you have a premium hand. Many people after the first break are great to especially those high stacks if you have like a 9 10 suited, and flop your straight or 2 pair normally the high stack will call any bet below 1k chip with an ace in his hand. You need to take advantage of this until basically the final 100 players then you tighten up and play good hands and try to stay above the chip average. If you play consistantly you should almost always get to the top 100 with ease.

By the way nj that is not the most important part you definately have to play extremely well early on to make it that far.

#67 29-06-2005, 5:05 AM

another poker advice from the dickens

save your all in plays for when the blinds get bigger like 100/200, or after the river, your most likely to get a player all in if they have something to the board smaller than you, too many people are in a hurry to go all in with lower blinds in the first hour.

eric

#68 02-07-2005, 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbnc55

when playing free rolls i find players going all in because they have no money invested so i let them take each other out and then play my game it seems to work

agree wit h you and unless i have the hand to call their all in i let them take each other out as well.

eric

#69 03-07-2005, 8:47 PM

Very nice post. For those who dont have time to read and digest the whole thing, the main point made is PATIENCE! No doubt the noob can be beat by being patient, not only during the first hour, but prolly for the first two.

#70 04-07-2005, 5:40 AM

Could someone post the money winners for freeroll 7/3 at noble, i missed the tourney because i knew i was going to a cookout and would like to know who placed the money today?

eric

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