| This is a discussion on Expected EV chart for different hold'em starting hands by position. within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Poker Hands - Expected Value chart by position I'm suprised that suited cards seem to gain so much value, I've always thought they made a ... |
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| Expected EV chart for different hold'em starting hands by position. Poker Hands - Expected Value chart by position I'm suprised that suited cards seem to gain so much value, I've always thought they made a very small difference, it's very rare to flop a flush and it's not that often you flop a 4 flush (I don't know the exact probability of flopping a 4 flush but it's gotta be less than 20%). Also I don't understand why some hands have positive EV in, say 6th positive, but negative EV in 7th position. What do you guys think about this chart? |
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| I'm not sure what assumptions were made in their calculations...but I think it's a joke. Anytime you fail to measure in unpredictable factors that every table offers, predicting the EV for a specific hand is ludacris. Obviously, a small pocket pair from early position has a higher EV in a loose game vs. a tight game (because of the times you flop a set and get paid off). There are so many factors that change frequently enough in the course of a game that should change your starting hand selection. I think you could gain a little bit of knowledge from these types of charts if you are a beginning player. Anytime you can get a better perspective on the relative stregth of your hand as a beginning player, it can only help. But as you develop as a player, you will see that this chart will change dependent on your table, playing style, and table image (and other factors)! |
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| Also, EV as a lot to do with how you play postflop (if you open shove everytime you flop that magical set, you're passing up on value, and what was a +EV proposition preflop can now be a -EV proposition). Sklansky hand groups are, IMHO, a much better place to start for beginners than such a chart. % of times a certain hand hits hard and implied odds needed are also much more useful. |
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The neg EV for later positions (when positive earlier) is due to this chart being compiled based on "only" a million played hands. Clearly if a hand is profitable in 6th position it should be at least that profitable in 7th position, and you would expect to see that with a larger sample size. Also, as other posters have pointed out, the play of the hands will effect these numbers (remember this is an actual compilation of a million hands, not a computer simulation). This could account for your larger than expected difference between suited and unsuited cards. |
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