Deep Stack Ante game

#1 4th February 2010, 8:45 PM

This is a question for any deep stack and ante game, really any ante game. Is figuring your M more important than knowing how many BB deep you are?
I guess what I'm asking is if you are 200BB deep but also have an ante doesn't that change how deep you really are? You're not really 200 deep because you have the ante everytime which effects implied odds, right? Maybe this is something that any decent player out there knows- but I'm basically an aspiring decent player so any thoughts or commentary would be appreciated.

#2 4th February 2010, 10:01 PM

IMO, it sort of comes down to just how deep we are talking. If I have an M of 200, the ante really isn't going to affect the M that much or change my decisions based on my M. Whereas if I have an M of 8, the antes are now going to play a MUCH larger role because I am so short.

So technically, yes, antes will affect your M (M is just how many orbits you can go before you are busto), but if you're 200 deep, it really just doesn't matter or affect too many decisions being made.

Cheers

#3 4th February 2010, 11:09 PM

Weill if its a six max game and you buy in 200bb deep your M is like 76, which I know is huge, if you buy in at 100bb then its around 35ish. So given that we're playing that deep how should that impact the game, The available stacks are pretty big and the pots are juiced. So it seems like lower expressed odds higher implied odds hands would enter your range. What is tight play when your that deep?
Is 19/17 too tight? how loose is wrong and aren't your preflop mistakes less grievous as a result of whats in the pot?

#4 4th February 2010, 11:10 PM

I look at it in terms of bb's..

so if the blinds are 100-200 with no ante, it is what it is, 100+200=300

now with a 25 ante at a 6 handed table, 100+200+150
450 in the pot now preflop.
so effectively the blinds are now effectively 150/300...

so if you have 3k in chips and you think you dont have to shove what you think is 15bb's effectively you only have around 10 bb's. and of course once the ante kicks in as a short stack it becomes much more proftiable to shove... but yes with a stack of 200bb's, it generally doesnt affect you too much.. sure effectively you dont quite have that much, but it really doesnt matter, your still deep...

#5 4th February 2010, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiZZiM

I look at it in terms of bb's..

so if the blinds are 100-200 with no ante, it is what it is, 100+200=300

now with a 25 ante at a 6 handed table, 100+200+150
450 in the pot now preflop.
so effectively the blinds are now effectively 150/300...

so if you have 3k in chips and you think you dont have to shove what you think is 15bb's effectively you only have around 10 bb's. and of course once the ante kicks in as a short stack it becomes much more proftiable to shove... but yes with a stack of 200bb's, it generally doesnt affect you too much.. sure effectively you dont quite have that much, but it really doesnt matter, your still deep...

Yeah but there is a difference in playing 150bb deep and 200bb deep. You can try and play for stacks a little more. But you get into situations where someone makes a 15bb reraise and have 150bb behind, you have a small pp and the pot has around 23.5bb in it, you have them covered. can you call, can you call when they have 200bb, i think its easy if they have 200bb but less so with 150, how do the antes effect the game. If you say ante's dont effect the game thats ridiculous. Any change in format has an impact on the game.

#6 5th February 2010, 12:40 AM

Antes affect the game yes, but just as in your example you stated, you are deep and after their stack....not 125 in antes when the blinds are 150/300 and they've raised 15Xbb. In your example antes play little role in decision making when you are after another deep stack.

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