Originally Posted by Deceitful_Frank
I see what you are saying. When I say passive I am talking about pre-flop. I guess that if he hits a third of the time he is probably onking with a made hand, a draw or with good overcards if the flop is low, raggedy and he thinks I have not hit.
I guess I should often give him credit for atleast something but when they bet like 15-20c in to 45c I am stuck for what to do. If the board is wet then I guess its raise or fold as he could be firing a tester bet with a mid pair or top pair shitty kicker.
I guess if the board is dry then pealing if I have showdown value or a few outs could be best?
Yeah give him credit.
Basically we view players in terms of loose vs tight or agro vs passive (bets a lot, bets a reasonable amout or dosent bet much).
Which is very 2D. You can add a 3rd axis in which is sometimes called stubbornness (refusal to fold) 5NL and much higher are stubborn, they dont like to fold. SO if he is donking and he isnt overly aggressive then he is leading because he likes his hand (PP on a non A/K board) .. he limp called preflop with 55.
He donks because he thinks his hand is OK.. you know he has a small PP but raising wont generate any FE because he thinks you have AK and so long as there isnt an ace or king he thinks you are bluffing so he will call.
This dosent change on the turn either, he checks, you try and stab again and so long as there is no ace he calls.
Now lets say there is an ace, you now have the best hand but now he folds so you arent ever getting value, you are the one putting money in when you are behind.
You cant really do much against a passive player who shows interest in a pot when you dont have anyything because they dont fold as much as aggressive players to further action. A lot of the reason aggro players will fold to further action and be less stubbon is they often have nothing, they cant call.