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  #1  
27-08-2008, 2:57 AM
TheDoc
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Concepts from Harrington on Cash

I have been reading Harrington on cash, vol 1. Its focus on cash games, and what makes them different, and strategies to employ are, in my view,
excellent. I have to say its been a revelation to me, I have had several 'aha' moments and I want to share some of those thoughts. After reading it
I realised:
  • I was winning overall, but not as much as I should be - I was losing too much on so-called 'solid' hands like TPTK, or overpairs
  • I was making pots too big with my betting with just TPTK or overpair - generally not adhering to a 'small hand small pot' philosophy
  • I was playing the standard game too transparently and predictably
  • I wasn't playing enough speculative hands like small connectors, suited and unsuited
The funny thing was, I kinda intuitively knew some of this in the back of my mind, but kept on adhering to a straightforward TAG style because I thought it was correct play. But, as Mr Harrington elaborates, the dynamics in a deep stack cash game alters. Hands become 'normalised' i.e. after the flop, big pairs go down in value and small connectors go up - largely because of the deception value and huge implied odds.

Anyway, I started appling some of his concepts with immediate results. My losses with TPTK are down, and the number of big hands won with speculative holdings is up - I am hitting more hands like those 'unlikely' straights. And my bankroll is healthier.
 

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  #2  
27-08-2008, 11:10 AM
Jagsti
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I look forward to purchasing these books in the near future.
  #3  
27-08-2008, 11:57 AM
KerouacsDog
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The DOc, thanks for this summary so far, I have this book, the cash one, and all his tournament ones, and its interesting(Ive only read a few pages of his cash book) to realise that you need a different mindset for ring as you do for mtt/sng, i never thought about it, really.
Im looking forward to reading this book, and maybe learning lots more, I hope.
  #4  
27-08-2008, 4:02 PM
ZZFLOP
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoc
I have been reading Harrington on cash, vol 1. Its focus on cash games, and what makes them different, and strategies to employ are, in my view,
excellent. I have to say its been a revelation to me, I have had several 'aha' moments and I want to share some of those thoughts. After reading it
I realised:
  • I was winning overall, but not as much as I should be - I was losing too much on so-called 'solid' hands like TPTK, or overpairs
  • I was making pots too big with my betting with just TPTK or overpair - generally not adhering to a 'small hand small pot' philosophy
  • I was playing the standard game too transparently and predictably
  • I wasn't playing enough speculative hands like small connectors, suited and unsuited
The funny thing was, I kinda intuitively knew some of this in the back of my mind, but kept on adhering to a straightforward TAG style because I thought it was correct play. But, as Mr Harrington elaborates, the dynamics in a deep stack cash game alters. Hands become 'normalised' i.e. after the flop, big pairs go down in value and small connectors go up - largely because of the deception value and huge implied odds.

Anyway, I started appling some of his concepts with immediate results. My losses with TPTK are down, and the number of big hands won with speculative holdings is up - I am hitting more hands like those 'unlikely' straights. And my bankroll is healthier.
What does TPKT mean ?
  #5  
27-08-2008, 4:08 PM
D'wilius
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You don't need to quote a whole page to ask that ZZ, it means top pair with top kicker. Try to cut a quote down to what's important to your comment .

btw there is also a thread about starting a discussion on the Harrington tournament book...but people have some time to get a copy first.

Last edited by D'wilius : 27-08-2008 at 4:20 PM.
  #6  
27-08-2008, 4:39 PM
Ranger390
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I completely agree. I was shocked at how different cash game play is from tournament play. I had read Harrington's 3 volume tournament books. But, I always wondered why the pros on High Stakes Poker played such "raggity" hands, compared to tournament play. Now I know. If you play ring games, Harrington's 2 volumes on Cash Games are worth their weight in gold.
  #7  
27-08-2008, 4:54 PM
TheNoob
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger390
I completely agree. I was shocked at how different cash game play is from tournament play. I had read Harrington's 3 volume tournament books. But, I always wondered why the pros on High Stakes Poker played such "raggity" hands, compared to tournament play. Now I know. If you play ring games, Harrington's 2 volumes on Cash Games are worth their weight in gold.

I asked this once here and was told that's more because they play much deeper stacks.
  #8  
27-08-2008, 6:06 PM
Styrofoam
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re: Concepts from Harrington on Cash

They also play with an ante, which automatically puts everyone invested in the pot... which encourages action for the TV cameras. a small raise to 2400$ and a caller behind it almost always gives you the odds to call with the antes out there. You'll be making nearly 3-1 on your money right away.
  #9  
28-08-2008, 12:48 AM
Ranger390
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Noob: Yes, the deep stacks are the main reason. And, given the deep stacks, hitting raggity hole cards may win an opponent's entire stack.
 

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