completing SB

#1 30th January 2008, 9:44 PM

Early on in tournaments with low blinds ie: 10/20, 15/30, most of the time i will complete with almost ATC if not raised. With 4 or more callers you are getting 10 to 1 or better on your bet. I would think this is a +EV move.

thoughts please.

#2 30th January 2008, 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Cricket

Early on in tournaments with low blinds ie: 10/20, 15/30, most of the time i will complete with almost ATC if not raised. With 4 or more callers you are getting 10 to 1 or better on your bet. I would think this is a +EV move.

thoughts please.

You are getting 10 to 1 on your money but you have to beat 4 opponents whose cards were worth calling. If you could guarantee action when you hit I agree, but when you basically need trips or 2 pair to continue in the hand (I assume you're not planning on continuing when your J8 hits top pair) and when you do hit you could just pick up the blinds, I don't think it's that great of a play. It's possible it could be justified early in the tournament where the SB is extremely small but you could possibly double up if you hit like 2 pair vs. a TPTK, but then again your 2 pair could just as easily run into a set and have you get stacked.

#3 30th January 2008, 10:25 PM

If it's folded to you in the small blind fold garbage hands. Any hand in the bottom 50% of all hands normally I fold. Any hand in the top 30 to top 40% limp or raise. You're out of position so that's why it's not a good idea to limp with hands like 8 4 in the small blind, even though you may be getting 3:1. Heads up when you have position in the small blind you should at least call with ATC. When there's a couple limpers usually limp as well and try to flop two pair or trips.

#4 30th January 2008, 10:37 PM

I wouldn`t say complete with ATC, except maybe during the first level.

Complete with anything vaguely decent, by all means, but you must have sufficient discipline to be able to lay down a hand that gets only a piece of the flop. Otherwise, you are just making trouble for yourself.

#5 30th January 2008, 10:55 PM

complete if u have something with potential to be big
calling with something like suited 1 gappers, suited conectors
but dont be calling with Q4o

#6 30th January 2008, 11:31 PM

Even though the odds are there I don't think it's always worth a call. In fact, one thing I've been trying to do recently is complete the sb less. You just end up in trouble when you hit a decent hand out of position. I think this is an area where pot odds shouldn't really be the main consideration. You might be getting 10-1 to call with your 94o but with that many more people in the pot 94o isn't going to win 1 in 10 times.

#7 30th January 2008, 11:44 PM

if you hold trash, you usually dont want to complete just because there could be a raise from the bb, and then you would just be throwing away chips. however, if you choose to raise to try and take the hand right there if there was 1 or no callers, that is fine, but you cant do it every time it is folded around to you, unless you know the bb is tight and is known to fold before.

#8 31st January 2008, 6:51 PM

Like I normally say, 2 small blinds saved(not completed) is 1 big blind earned.

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