| This is a discussion on Check-Raising overrated? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; My experience with check raising only really works when I am bluff check raising. When I pick up a monster, check raising is one of ... |
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| Good play, but not the best. | | 71.43% | |
| Best play in NLHE | | 4.76% | |
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| Check-Raising overrated? My experience with check raising only really works when I am bluff check raising. When I pick up a monster, check raising is one of the farthest things from my mind. In my experience, check raising gives your opponents an even better excuse to exit the hand. Sure check raising gets you that extra little chips from the guy with nothing, but I feel that the play is overrated unless your opponent has the second nuts to your stone cold nuts. the only time I really check raise is when its the river, and I am holding close to the nuts and I know that my opponent will bet at the pot. Any thoughts on the move? Is it overrated or am I not using it enough? Lets create a poll! |
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| It has it's spots but generally I like to lead with monsters because it'll build a bigger pot and disguise your hand more. dbitel covers the topic nicely here: Leading out vs C/R |
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| I think it realy depends on the situation. If I want a call, and I think I can get it, I'll bet. If a player is in a situation where he bets all the time, I choose check raise. I use checkraise quite a lot in Turbo if I know I have the winning hand. Last edited by Aalgaard : 2nd December 2007 at 7:50 AM. Reason: typo |
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| re: Check-Raising overrated? poker Since most players DON'T use the check raise, or even the reraise, they don't have a good enough understanding of what it's power is. There are a lot of players who overuse it. It is a tool. It is a bit more powerful than an intentional minraise with monsters. Stick it in your poker toolbag and bring it out when it is the right tool to use. |
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This bodes ill if you're using it as a bluff, of course, but it can be a way to get more of their money into the pot if you think they'd have just called a straight value bet. Having said all that, I probably don't check-raise enough. |
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Not to take the thread off topic or anything....T1riel, I'm just wondering, are you playing mainly live or online these days? |
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| re: Check-Raising overrated? poker Since every player is so aggressive these days, checkraising is certainly a viable option. I much prefer a checkcall though. All the overaggressive players usually misinterpret it as weakness and bet out a 2nd time. I've stacked people who had Ace King high that way. You can really get people to bluff their money away. This is Phil Hellmuth's style of playing. And it really does work, especially on the internet where everybody and their mother thinks they have to win every pot and be aggressive all the time. |
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| Let's look at some situations: 1. You have monster, other guy has drawing hand I'd never check-raise here, gives a free card if they don't bet 2. You think you have the nuts and opponent is drawing dead If they simply have a lesser monster (such as set over set), a bet will work just as well as a check raise, and they'll probably even raise your bet, which you can then re-raise. If they have crap, check-raising gives you an extra bet. But check-calling gives them another opportunity to bluff at it 3. You have the lesser hand, but you're drawing to a better one Although it works as a semi-bluff (and a free card if they check behind you), the problem is you give action back to your opponent, they can then raise, forcing you to fold. The best would be a call and then you hitting, and your hand would be very well disguised 4. You have the lesser hand, and you only win if they fold This is the place I like it the most. If you're with an opponent who likes to steal a lot with cbets, you can check and then raise their cbet. Most of the time they'll fold, unless they really have a hand. |
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| It's a great move against an aggressive opponent when you hit a monster, but you need a pretty good reaf on the other player, 'cause you want value, and checking to someone who checks behind doesn't get it. Normally, as Chuck pointed out, leading with a strong hand often gets better results. But, say you hit a dream flop, boat on the flop for example. I will often check, and if you get a bet, check call first; check again at 4th st., and then hit the rerause. There's little risk involved, and the worst that can happen is villain will slow down and check behind, but if this happens you were gonna lose him anyway.. Because I play at low stakes, I find using the check/raise as a bluff is very dangerous; you'll be in against opponents who don't understand the concept. |
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| imo there is nothing worse than a check-raise bluff that goes wrong. I normally dont do it on a ragged flop. Normally i will check raise bluff when there is a QQ5 on the board or something like that because if they are betting, most likely they are bluffing as well and it is very easy to represent that Q. |
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