The Check, Call, Raise?

#1 19th March 2009, 1:21 AM

More and more often I am starting to see the check, call, raise on a blank turn/river. I was wondering if this should be read the same way as a check raise or if it shows more of a tendency of bluffing/nuts.

For example, what caused this post is I had AQ and villain had ??. The flop comes A 8 8, villain checks, I bet, he insta calls and insta bets a turn of 4.

Thoughts are welcome. I folded b/c the pot size wasn't worth it to me.

#2 19th March 2009, 1:29 AM

Honestly, it doesn't say a ton about their hand. All it means is that they read you as being weak. They probably aren't incredibly strong, because if they were, they would likely have either bet out on the flop or checked the turn.

#3 19th March 2009, 1:35 AM

Silverslugger is right but the 'insta' calls and bets could tell you that they are strong. (Or bluffing, you never know )

I have tried to emulate Chris Ferguson's approach, even on line.
I take my time before I bet, call or even fold.
It makes the other players wonder and more importantly it makes me look at the board to see what I can beat, what someone else might have and make the right decision.

Good Luck out there

#4 19th March 2009, 1:41 AM

I`d say it either means he has nothing and is trying to push you off the pot or he flopped a monster and gave you a chance to catch up.

You aren`t going to know which unless you played a few hands with him and have some kind of a read.

#5 19th March 2009, 12:48 PM

his line is wierd imo. I would not give him credit for an 8 in that spot. But he could have taken this line with pocket 4s but since you didnt mention any preflop action, its just a guess.

#6 19th March 2009, 1:11 PM

I agree preflop info would help as well as, the bet amounts. Looks to me more like he has AX and he thinks you will fear the 88. The amount of your bet post flop is pretty important, because it would show you as strong or weak.

JMHO

#7 19th March 2009, 8:11 PM

A product of those villains watching too much television poker coverage.

Also a result of the aggro "first to bet wins the pot" mentality.

#8 19th March 2009, 8:58 PM

Really it depends. you are being called, and sometimes it seems as if they caught something on the turn. It could be a bluff to make you think he caught something, or a bluff to make you think he suckered you in. You have to know the player and try to get a read on him. If your hand is good enough to call, you call. At one point durring your game you are eventually gonna have a good hand against his same move and youll raise him to see what he does. If he folds then you know he is up to the bluff... and thats how the cycle goes.

#9 20th March 2009, 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevadanick

A product of those villains watching too much television poker coverage.

Also a result of the aggro "first to bet wins the pot" mentality.

yeah its awesome. i hope many people will spew after dwan's bluff on HSP.
i think its the second best thing happened in poker after moneymaker.

#10 20th March 2009, 9:21 PM

What happened before the flop?
Did you raise? How much did you raise or do you just called??
And how does the other player played before and how many chips does he heve??
Analyse the whole situation!!!

#11 20th March 2009, 9:37 PM

AQ with an A88 flop is a very good hand, especially if one on one. It can also depend if you raised preflop or if he did. Chances are he does not have AK, and more than likely does not have an 8. I would put him on a K with a decent kicker, sometimes you have to take chances. If he is an extremely tight player, then i would think about folding, but just an average player, play the hand. AQ is a good hand for that.

#12 22nd March 2009, 2:21 PM

He didnt have you beat. He was floating you to see if he could take away the pot. If someone insta calls it is usually a sign of a draw, if there were no draws, he was trying to look strong so he could set up his turn bet and scare you. If he had a strong hand he would have taken his time to look scared on the flop, then checked the turn hoping you fire at it again.

#13 22nd March 2009, 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weirdhotshot

More and more often I am starting to see the check, call, raise on a blank turn/river. I was wondering if this should be read the same way as a check raise or if it shows more of a tendency of bluffing/nuts.

For example, what caused this post is I had AQ and villain had ??. The flop comes A 8 8, villain checks, I bet, he insta calls and insta bets a turn of 4.

Thoughts are welcome. I folded b/c the pot size wasn't worth it to me.

he probably thought u were easy to push off the pot and u said the potsize wasnt worth it with 2 pair going into the river most times with that kicker i would of went but then again thats how i get tossed out alot was this a tourney or ring game ? where u in position to push ?

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