CBets/Multi-way Pots

I'm too lazy to go upstairs and get HOH and it might make good conversation anyways so, what the hell...

Heads-up on the flop I CBet 70% any where from 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot.

How (if at all) should I switch this up in multi-way pots?

No easy answer i'm afraid. It depends lots on what type of players have called your preflop raise, the flop texture, stack-sizes, your position.

Really if you are unsure of any specific hands post them in HA.

When c-betting, I take into account 4 main things:

1) How many opponents I've got
2) How wet the flop is
3) How likely are my opponents to fold (fold to flop c-bet %)?
4) Do I have any showdown value?

Obviously, if I'm in a multi-way pot, then I want the flop to be dry, and my opponents to be straightforward. The more multi-way the pot is, the more importance those factors have.

And by showdown value, I mean, I'll often attempt to check down a hand like ATo on a 228r board, but I will almost always c-bet JTo on a 228r board.

Position, stack sizes, and other factors do affect things, but I think that pretty much sums up my strategy.

I'm assuming that you're betting the JTo to get hands like ATo to fold right? Where as betting the ATo is a loser because you're only getting called when you are beat?

Against 1-2 opponents 70% cbet is fine, but when its multy-way like 4 other ppl in the pot and you got like Ace high on drawheavy board that doesnt hit you, then cbetin is a mistake. It depends if your hand has any value checking it to showdown or not.

Pretty much. AT can beat hands like A4, KQ, ect. that JT can't if the hand gets checked down and neither of us improves.

speak english ffs lol just kidding... I like to bet at least 2 to 3 times the size of the pot or about half my money depending on how low or high rent the blinds are

I'm not sure I understand. What you're saying is A10 can beat hands than J10 can't, so you're check/folding with the better hand and c-betting with the weaker one? Please explain...

What I think he really means is that the best way he is winning with JT is to cbet here. With AT he could easily check win with a AT high hand.

SOOO many factors come into play on what you should do that this is really an impossible question to just answer. Most importantly other than what has been said is what happened preflop and what is your position.

Depending on the size of the pot and the stacks of my opponents tells me when I want to C bet...and of course what kind of player i'm up against. But if I dont connect by the turn, I tread a carefully, unless I'm in the bluffin mood, which isn't that often (been crushed by the trap toooo many times). I just blasted these 2 opponents last night in a freeroll where the raiser c- bet into a baaad situation. I had 120k or so and raiser had like 70k. BB was 1000 and he raised to 10k so I put him on A/ Face and since it was only like 7% or so of my stack i called w 2 4 suited and another player called, which i figured he had face cards. I flopped a full boat and the raiser C-bet like 30k, I raised and the other caller raised all in w/ 110K then the original raiser went all in...i was licking my chops. they both had ace/ face cards. Moral of the story... C-bets are great but know when to get out, and if you didnt connect on the flop don't c-bet so high that you can't recover if you get crushed

I kinda realized my question was a little on the general side after I posted it. Too late!

I started as a limit player so I'm always looking for easy to remember rules of thumb to guide my play. That just doesn't carry over to big bet poker.

Thanks for the reply...

A straight forward player who rarely bluffs (most players at micro limits) aren't going to bet a hand worse than ace high. So by checking the hand down, I can often win without risking any money in case they're slowplaying something, ect. And if I bet with ATo, then all those KQ hands are folding. So there's no value in betting. I'm just paying ~2/3 of the pot to keep them from drawing at their 20% equity. It doesn't make sense.

But with JT, the only way I can win is to bet. I really can't even beat a bluff.

FP made a really great blog post about betting very marginal hands. Lemme see if I can find it.

Okay I kind of see what you're saying. But why is betting J10 not folding the KQ hands as betting with the A10 is?

Edit: Unless you're saying that's the whole point of betting out with J10, to fold the KQ type hands that are beating you and to win the pot. Right?