Cant make money without this!

Okay,

Something i love to do, and its an absolute necessity if your going to make any money in this sport.

MAKE THE OTHER GUY THINK HE HAS YOU BEAT. Its the greatest thing in the world.

Both of you raise pre-flop. You call him. You got JJ. Hes got AK.
The Flop: A 5 J

First thing you do, is bet the smallest or close to smallest. He may call, or raise. dont matter.

Next Card : 9

You immediately check. Make him think your scared. Or then you dont have a good hand. 99 percent of the time, hes going to bet a good ammount. . WAIT for the timer to click down a little. Then call.

Next Card: dont matter/

Check. Hes going to bet big, if, not all in (cause hes a Full-Tilt fish). then you Raise. And take him to the bank, and buy the BMW

I dunno. I just did this like an hour ago and felt so proud of myself. Its like the dream scenario for all of us. The other guy thinks he has you beat.

I think most people already check the turn for this reason.

but good for you nice win.

If its working against the players you are playing fine, but alot of these minbet, minraise, check/raise moves will backfire against a thinking player. Can't count the number of times a player has told me he has a monster and doesn't want to get paid by playing like this, villain dependant of course. Depends on stats and reads whether a certain move is true weakness/bluff or tipping the strength of his/her hand.

unless he has AA:P
and I wish I got enough hands like that that, I'd have the BMW

Slow play = low pay.

Ask yourself this question: Is he folding AK in your scenario if you bet flop/turn/river? When you hit a set on an A high flop in a 3bet pot (I think that's what you meant by both of you raising preflop) you get the $$ in the middle as fast as possible.

As with most everything....

It depends on the situation. But yes, it does feel good to pull the strings of a puppet. Just remember, not all players at the table are puppets. Good luck.

LOL most of the time I try this the guy has A9 and pulls the river FH. Any thing is nice if it works out for you, but just like slow playing aces the burns seem to be there 7 out of ten times. GL on and off the felts

This is a funny post, i pretty much do this anyway. I am curious however how your theory works if you didnt flop the nuts, would you bet the same or differrent? You should give better examples to back up your claim

Only works against bad players, people that get carried away with top pair.

thats what i was refering too..

like in my post:

"Full-Tilt Fishes"




But i understand what everybody is saying

My experience slow playing usually leads to the other sucking out. Because of this I try to get the money in the pot early. Of course it depends on the player. I am happy it worked out for ya. There are always different strokes for different folks.

You cant live on the slow play, but it will work from time to time. When it does you can get paid off big for it.
Another plus if it does work out is you might get a flop/turn check out of that player later when you dont hit the flop. Free chase for you maybe.

It's not too hard to win in that scenario no matter how you play it. If you raise on the flop he calls anyway. Then you can check the turn. Or bet. Or raise. Probably doesn't matter!

Is this a level ?

Slowplaying sets is a very fishy way to play poker. If people fold too much to your taste, it means you're not betting enough with air, not that you should bet less with the nuts.

Sadly, I don't think it is. Obviously since it worked this time it's like the greatest way to play sets evar!!!! My guess is that he was also setmining in a 3bet pot, OOP, and without implied odds too.

I especially like the river check to give the villain the opportunity to check behind. It's like the greatest play of all time!

Slowplaying generally works better against a large stack. If I flopped trips I would bet out straight away. I could be holding king 10 and be on a draw.
He will call all the way to the river and then may be a bit suspicious as to why you are still betting. But he will call anyway and you can take his money.

Min raising the flop isnt all that good because its likely to send out alarm bells.

If the flop is unconnceted and usually you cbet 1/2 - 3/4 pot then a minraise looks wrong.

You raise here as normal. If he folds.. then its likely he had nothing so would fold later. If he calls then he either thinks he has you beat or that he can bluff you off the pot.

Playing the flop differently here is just wrong.

A turn check isnt such a bad thing so long as you put in a decent bet on the river.

Essentially what you are doing with the min raises is firstly setting of alarm bells.. unless min raise is your normal thing. Secondly you are allowing him to draw against you. Now whilst you know that you most likely have the best hand... he could not and does not so calling here is not that terrible play from him.

By betting small on the flop you have reduced the size of future bets.. when there are two cards still to come. Calling your min raise on the flop isnt all that costly and he may well try and steal on the turn.. but the pot is kept small and unlikely to see any serious betting on the river.

I like this tactic against very aggressive players. Not necessarily those who will fire at any pot, but those who will overbet with top pair. But, against almost everyone else, I find it's much more profitable to just bet with big hands.

If you start to rely on the river overbet to get paid off, you will probably find that you only get called after your opponent draws out on you.

This move works angainst a noobie or a fish.
If he is a fish and saw you play like this before he will not get into that trap again.
If the other player is a good player he will not bet again on the river.....

The other cards does matter btw... If an ace or king pops up, then theirs
a bigger chance the opponent will call your allin, but i see a big flaw
in your game dude. I said check on the river!! Think about it... its the worst
move everrr. He has ace king, nothing at this point. He is definitly gonna
check! He knows that if he has you beat with an ace high! you will definitly
fold whatever bet he makes, so there is no point raising for him. If you
call then you definitly have him beat! If you raise then he is in big trouble
so theres nothing to do there. Now if you raise on the river from the
beginning he could think your trying to take a pot right there and might
call... so thats your best play i would say.

i really think it depends on the situation, player, type of game (tourney or ring) where chipstack size would effect decision.the way the other player has reacted to your raises before,your aggresion level, his aggression level, how close to the bubble you are (mtt's)
there are allot of things to consider but yes it is a good tool to have in your bag

What I like about your method is that you are THINKING and trying to figure things out. But please pay attention and be honest. The advice here from Belgo and Stu Ungar are correct, so don't get all squirrely and resistant. A good player might even try your tactic to mix things up or affect an amateurish table image.

But just because it works from time to time doesn't mean it's sound play. You do say you use it against FT fishes, but it sure ain't going to work against better players. And soon enough you'll find those fishes will suck out on you due to your generous invitations to the pot.

Min-bets + slowplay = BAD POKER most of the time. If you think otherwise, you're either building a bad habit that you'll have to break OR you're going to limit yourself as a player and never be very good.

Keep thinking and trying things, but don't get stuck with your ego.
GtW