Can I get away from this hand?

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  #1
31st August 2009, 9:16 PM
cwu712
 
Can I get away from this hand?

I was playing at my local casino this last weekend at the 2/5 NLHE . I have been sitting for about an hour or two, playing mostly LAG style. I was dealt AQ offsuit under the gun (seat 3), and I raised it to $15 (3BB), the villian on seat 6, who is a TAG raised it to $35 ($20 more). Everyone folds to me, and I decided to call the $20 more into the $55 pot.

The flop was Q 7 3 rainbow. The pot now is $75, I bet $35, and he pushed all in for $120 more. I thought for a bit and called. He turned over QQ, which left me drawing dead.

My question is, did I play the hand badly? There were 2 points I would like to discuss:
1) During preflop, was it the wrong to call $20 more to see a flop with AQ? I know that MOST of the time AQ is no good here, since he can only be reraising with AA/KK/QQ/JJ, and AK/AQ (maybe TT/AJ), which leaves me crushed on most hands. But $20 more in a pot of 75 doesnt sound like bad odds.
2) Was it wrong to call the all in after the flop? Q 7 3 rainbow is as strong of a flop as I could hope to see (vs say A 7 3, where there is a high chance of kicker problem)

I kept thinking this is just one of those hands where you go broke and theres nothing you can do about it (such as set on set, or AA vs KK), but I am always looking for room to improve my play. Your inputs will be greatly appreciated.
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  #2
31st August 2009, 10:50 PM
Poker Orifice
 
Poker at: kitchen tabl
Game: NLHE
He's only 31bb deep (short in other words), giving you odds to call (which looks like he's begging for it w prob. big pr. and looking to get it in on most flops). I'd let it go myself as I'd be pretty certain to be well behind his range (what range of hands are we putting a SS on here who'd be 3-betting just over a 'min' raise here?)

  #3
1st September 2009, 12:07 AM
cwu712
 
Thanks for the reply guys. I understand the preflop call was a little iffy, but what about post flop? Would you guys lay your hand down after the flop? Or maybe you would've played differently? Perhaps bet a little more or less, or just check to him with TPTK?
  #4
1st September 2009, 12:07 AM
PurgatoryD
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: MTT NLHE
That it a really tough one. You say the villain was playing TAG. Well, if he was playing very tight, you'd have to put him on AA, KK, QQ, or AK. You're a loser to 3 out of 4 of those hands. So, if you saw him playing very tight, you should have folded. However, if you saw him playing "medium tight", that is a tough one to get away from.

I can recall many times where top pair A kicker just hasn't been good enough. I'm trying to watch my opponent's ranges a little closer myself.

-Dave
  #5
1st September 2009, 6:19 PM
mokivsupra
 
re: Can I get away from this hand? poker

You called a RR with AQoff out of position, which is questionable depending on the player. You definitely should have gotten away from the hand once you were raised on the flop as 4 out of 5 preflop RR hands have you beat. Based on the action he almost certainly has you beat as you repped a pretty big hand raising UTG and calling a raise our of position.
  #6
1st September 2009, 6:19 PM
mokivsupra
 
Sorry I meant 3 out of 4
  #7
1st September 2009, 6:50 PM
elbandiddo32
 
Online Poker at: Cake
Game: holdem
i think u plyed it right up until the point where he went all in. U have to start thinking that he made sa preflop re raise because he was holding something better than the top card on the board because he was obviously not scared by it. Then u ask urself what can u beat and is it worth that much money?
  #8
1st September 2009, 7:07 PM
Leo 50
 
Poker at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
I think you probably knew he had you, especially since you said he was playing TAG. The beauty of playing 'live' poker is you can really watch the other players and it sounds like you are a good live player since you had already assessed him as a tight player.

The initial bet was a good one and the post flop bet as well. (You didn't say how big your stack was)

Top pair and top kicker are always good for a bet post flop, to see where you are but once he pushes all-in you have to figure he had the hand.

AQ is one of those hands that seduces many players (myself included, far too many times) into going broke or having to rebuy. It's just two cards!!!

  #9
1st September 2009, 8:22 PM
Arjonius
 
What's the likelihood that this TAG player has shoved with a hand worse than yours? With $230 in the pot and $120 to call, you have to win one-third of the time to break even, which seems unlikely.
  #10
1st September 2009, 11:38 PM
kidkvno1
 
Poker at: Ultimatebet
Game: holdem
re: Can I get away from this hand? poker

I would have to fold. Getting reraised, you should of knew he had it.
If he did a quick all-in, that was a tell he made his hand..
Data from pokerstove, preflop

1,712,304 games 0.032 secs 53,509,500 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.365% 29.70% 00.67% 508555 11388.50 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 69.635% 68.97% 00.67% 1180972 11388.50 { QcQh }


73,629,072 games 0.156 secs 471,981,230 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.589% 23.81% 10.78% 17527746 7939719.50 { AcQd }
Hand 1: 65.411% 54.63% 10.78% 40221887 7939719.50 { KK+, QcQh, JJ-TT, AQs+, AQo+ }
 



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