Calculated CALL?????

O.K.
This one is really Bugging me..
Had a Crap Call today and the player say's "It was a Calculated Call"
Please tell me what you think of this statement and whether you think it was a bogus statement or matter of fact.
Obviously this is a part of poker I do not understand!
Here is the information:

143 people in tourny
top 27 pay
35 players left
I have a below average chip count of 3200.00

I have just been moved to a new table:
Staring at AQ os UTG +1
All fold but Button, who has 3800.00

He calls with 2 3 suited

Needless to say a 2 hits the board along with jacks.
I'm out and mad as Hell!
His excuse was "It was a calculated Call"

What the Hell does this mean to any of you? Could you please educate me on this one. All the years I have been playing and seeing this crap so close to the money = JERK/DONK in my mind~

Anyone else?

What were the blinds?
How big was his stack?
Did you shove pre-flop?

If he was getting 2.5/1 or better then it wasn't a BAD call. Personally, I wouldn't make that call every time but... If I was getting 3/1 and only had to risk 10% or so of my stack to bust someone then I might take it.

Wait a second... 2.5 to one with a hand that could be completely dominated? If he's got ANY Pair... he's completely dominated. At BEST he's about a 3-1 underdog. And it was for Just about ALL of his stack and he's got the worst hand imaginable for heads up?

Theres no way I ever take that chance in the situation that he described. Never. The bubble is coming up, and you're going to put all of your money CALLING into that pot with 2/3?

Someone please explain to me how in THIS situation it would be the correct call?

His excuse of "Calculated Call" just seems to be his answer for being a donk. I really cant see this being any kind of "Calculated" call unless most of his money was already in the pot. If he's getting three to one on his money... its still iffy in my mind. Even if he thinks your on a steal.

The only piece of information missing from your outline of the hand is what was the buy-in for the tournament. If it is a freeroll or micro buy-in, then you have to realize there are people who don't take those tourneys seriously. Also, there are a lot of people who play by "feel" and will call with junk because they have a "feeling." I think his statement of "Calculated Call" was an attempt to piss you off and possibly unnerve the other remaining players at the table if he is a savy user of chat.

The only time I would call an all in with 2 3 is if I pretty much had to especially if someone went all in early. How big were the blinds? It looks like someone just trying to get lucky.

To me it just sounds like this guy is a complete moron and just said that so he thought he sounded smart and good but really is a jackass. but you didnt post anything about your betting or anything and if you raised big preflop with AQ in UTG+1 then that was your big mistake right there that may constitute a raise but not a big one and if your reraised the safe thiong is to fold unless the guys your facing is loose or you are already in the money

I'd like to see a little more info before saying the dude made a terrible call.

Did you push in, and it was folded to the button who called? If so, he wasn't getting the right odds to beat anything you could hold for even money.

Did you push in after the flop, and he read you for 'air,' suspecting that a jack would have slow-played, and if you had a pp, you would have made a raise preflop? If so, not an unreasonable call, even though if you just hold overs, he could be outdrawn or counterfeited.

Not giving enough information about how the hand played out is like saying: "I just had an argument with my wife about money. Was I in the right?"

I guess youre right. I took for granted that all the chips went in the middle preflop, when in reality we dont even know if there was a raise at all preflop, or how many people were in the hand.

Calling with that stack out of speculation is still a donk move, but there definitely could be more to the story than what we see.

I set Hero's range as: any pair, any two bway, and AXs. That puts Villian's equity around 30%.

If you have a 30% chance to win and you're getting 2.5/1 or better then you're getting the best of it. That wouldn't be good enough for me to risk my tournament on but...If I had over 30k I'd insta call stacks of 3k to take a shot at busting them.

Sorry!
I was not able to update this until now...

The blinds were 25 ante, 300 BB 150 SB

I was just moved to the table out of position so I Pushed All IN Pre Flop.

I made a mistake though he had 5009 in chips pre Call and apparently had just built up his chips fro 900 in 10 hands before I arrived. I found out later.

I know why I pushed!

Low chips, great starter hand, no read on the table, less then 10 BB etc..

His being a "Calculated Call" is completely absurd to me though, being so close to the money for one and not to mention he had NO read on Me and still had the SB and BB behind him yet to play.

Now if he had anything over 10's I would beleive him when he said "Calculated Call" Bla Bla.. LOL
BUT 2 3 suited.

Common now

Can someone please give me an example of an appropriate "Calculated Call"

Thanks so much

Let me get this straight. The guy called 85% of his stack with 3 high? Do you even have to ask if this is bad play. Of course this guy is a complete tool.

It is pretty obvious that there wasn't much going on in the mind of your opponent, if he doesn't have a chip in the pot, there is a pot worth 3875, and it will cost him 3200 to call, and he does so with 23.

Since the pot will be 7075 chips after his call, and he is putting in 3200, he should be sure that he has at least 3200/7075 or a 45.22% chance of winning the pot. Against any pair, the best odds he has are about 30% (assuming you had 22) and against any two unpaired cards, he is never going to be any more than about 35% to win.

Guys like him are the reason the game was invented. Don't hate him for getting lucky, be happy that he, or the many others that play like him will make this game lucrative for you in the long run.

Sure. He has 2c3h, and puts you on AcKc suited 'at best' in his mind.

The blinds and antes are still 675, and you go all in for 600, making the pot 1275. He calls the 600 meaning that the pot is 1875, and he needs to be sure he is at least 600/1875 or 32% to win the hand to make his calculated call correct.

The cards get turned over, he finds that his hunch was right, you do have AK clubs, he plugs the hands into a calculator, finds out he is slightly better than 32 percent to beat you meaning his pot-odds calculation was correct.

You are welcome so much :-)

How would you calculate what your odds of winning are against any give hand. For instance based on the example just stated, how would you know what your AK is worth agains 23?

How would you calculate what AK is worth against 23? How do you get those percentages?

It was a bad call. Risking basically the whole stack that close to the bubble with that hand was a bad call no doubt about it. But as was stated earlier sometimes guys just make a gut call. You also have to consider it was suited connectors. That certainly would have played into his decision to call.

Here, try this:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_odds/texas_holdem

It runs through the various flops, and lets you know the percentages that hands have over each other, just like the numbers you see next to the cards when watching a tourney on t.v.

Funny thing about the calculator...it says QQ is a better hand against AA than KK

It probably says that because it is. Both KK and QQ need to hit a set, a straight, or a flush versus AA. They are equally likely to hit a set or a flush, but QQ is more likely to hit a straight. KK can make only broadway or king high. QQ can make broadway, king high, or queen high.

Well OF COURSE thats the reason. Anyone who didn't think of that right off the top of their heads is an IDIOT.....I will now retire to a corner and relearn my basic math.