Originally Posted by js520
is 4betting to like 20bb not a bit small? Usually people 3bet to about 10bb so I find it hard to see people folding to such a small 4bet. I usually make it like 30bb, i.e 3x the size of their bet.
Nope, people used to always make it 25bb just because someone once said it was "standard". 4betting to 25bb or bigger is pretty terrible imo, atleast in the games i play in. Maybe if you're never 4bet bluffing and people are never 3betting and folding it would be ok, otherwise its far too big.
It's a lot harder to play against someone who 4bets to 20bb with a pretty balanced range, there is less incentive to 5bet jam light, and when you do 5bet jam villain has a pretty easy decision whether to call or not. Thankfully lots of people still do 4bet to 25bb's and so 3b/5betting wider for value doesn't have to get that many folds to show instant profit, cause a lot of them are 4bet bluffing too much also.