Best way to build bankroll from $100?

I'm not sure if there is a thread on this already, if there is any help where it's at will be apreciated. So anyway, I need some help on the best way to build a bankroll from a $100? I play on FTP and mostly micro, to low pot limit, and mostly NL games. I do well in MTT, and have been playing for about 2 years or so online, and i'm currently reading books on strategy, but some help with bankroll management would be nice. Thanks guys!

Ps. anyone know anything about face the ace?

In the Strategy Articles there is a good one that discusses this topic very well ... Its under Strategy... Poker Advice for New Players

You've been playing 'online' for 2yrs. & have read lots of books but are wondering how to build a bankroll from $100? My question to you is.. "Who else could possibly have a clue as to what games would be most profitable for you? What's been working for you... and what hasn't?"
With 2yrs. of online poker under your belt, I would think this would be obvious by now?? Perhaps I'm missing something here?... OR... is this a 'Freedom 65' post?

lol i just love sarcasm

You're on Full Tilt so go to the academy and watch Fergusen's session on bankroll management. As for the Face the Ace there's a post on CC, or go to Full Tilt since they're the ones that have it.

BTW sarcasm is sooo underrated.

For one the books Iv read have not talked about how to build a bankroll from $100. Two, Yes I have been playing for a while and I know I do well in MTT, but what is wrong with asking the opinions of others on this matter? Isn't that why we are all here? And even if I have read about it or know how to do this, if I get 1 post that is of value, or something that I did not think about, wasn't it worth asking? I might make a post asking how to play top pairs, and already know how mainly, but if someone explains something in a different manner than I have previously been thinking, then the thread was worth it to me. Instead of being cynical & sarcastic about my threads, go worry about your own if you have nothing of value to add here.


Cynicism is the intellectual cripple's substitute for intelligence.
J. Russel Lynes

I recommend the FullTilt Poker Academy.

LOTS of great stuff there.

as far as building bankroll, look for low money buy-ins with overspreads,
such as the ones here on CardChat !

yes check out the fulltilt academy but also go to tips from the pros and read the chris ferguson challenge. i'm try to build a BR from nothing as well. i was sort of kicking around an idea of keeping a seperate BR for cash games one for MTTs and maybe one for STTs. what i would do if i had a BR of $100 i would split it up $45 in the cash games for 2NL and $55 for MTTs for $1 buyins. but keep both rolls seperate. see how you do with both.

Really though, You should probably expect some not so helpful comments with a topic such as this, because questions such as this have been asked a thousand times over. The search button is great on forums. Type in Bankroll management and you'll find everything you've ever wanted.

The best way to build your bankroll is definitely different for everyone. I personally am finding I do much better at smaller MTT's (45-180 people) and pretty horrible at cash games. For others its the opposite.

Stick to solid BRM, thats the most important.

If after 2 years of online play you don't know what games you're better at, the only thing anyone can tell you is to keep playing different types of games until you find you're game. IMO the one you have an edge at should already be apparent.

I'm definately better at MTT 180+, this is where I have won the most $$, but my question refers to wheather or not I should be playing low cash games with a limited bankroll. I guess if you do well in a certain area, there would be no reason to change it obviously, but like I said, I wasn't sure if tournaments are considered proper strategy for BRM. I don't know why you guys keep saying I don't know what game i'm good at. MULTI-TABLE TOURNAMENTS IS WHAT I AM BEST AT. I have said it twice already. I guess if you consider cash games, then you can double your money if you win and leave, with tournaments you have to beat every 1 or close to every 1 to get a good cash. Even though I do ok in these type of tournaments, I was posting this thread to see if cash games would be a better way to build a bankroll. As far as my skill in cash games, i'm ok, but I have a little less experience playing in CG's versus MTT. And BTW, sorry guys for posting this type of repeated thread.

update: tonight I tried heads up for the first time, and won 3 in a row, so i might be on to something. hehe

I do not know face the ace.
If you are good at MTT then play them! You should be able to make the 100 bucks in a few month then...

I'd be careful playing HUSNG's at the micros. The rake will catch up to you very fast after about 30 or so games! You need to be winning about 55%+ to stay ahead of rake!

..... agreed about the HU micro SNG's

I believe you've misinterpretted my post here on your thread. My intentions weren't to come across like a dick. I felt I was just simply stating the obvious. Each form of the game NLHE is different from the other (ie. SNG, MTT, short-handed, full tables, HU, FR cash tables, 6-MaxNL, etc.). Again.... with 2yrs. under your belt I can't see how I could possibly be able to advise you on what might be most profitable for you? How could I?
Myself, I haven't played alot of cash tables online... maybe 100K hands or so max. I've read a bunch on the game and overall have done pretty decently but for sure it's not my niche or forte. If I had hopes of it being so, I would read up more about it, play more of it, review more HH's, follow more threads, etc. etc.
It would be one thing if you weren't playing profitably any forms of the game and were looking to branch out but if you already know what you do well in... the question seems mute.
The trouble with playing MTT's on a limited roll is that you're only able to enter into the super micro buyins and as mentioned, you really don't hit the decent money unless you get up towards the top of the payout. Personally I play them because I like them the most, not necessarily to be maximizing my profits on the tables (or looking for highest hourly rate, etc.). I just plain out & out like them. Because of this, I find it easier to dig into more material on them.
I suppose if my roll was small (as it is on some sites) I'd opt to build on my 6-MaxNL game and would probably grind away on the 5NL tables, in hopes of getting onto the 10NL tables and then once I was rolled well enough, over to MTTs & SNGs. RyanFees 6-Max Strategy Guide has been helpful for me in this regard, although perhaps a bit advanced for the super micros. Still...it helped open up my mind to the game a bunch more.

This comment above by cardplayer52 interests me. This is something I have been trying to do, so that I can track which games I am most profitable at. I am doing it simply by having a look at the numbers in poker tracker every now and then, which is not the most ideal way of viewing it. Is it possible to make 2 separate bankrolls in your Full tilt account and only pay out of one of them for certain types of tournaments? I would like it to be something like the tournament money setup, but when I buy into cash games I choose one, and the money goes back into that bank roll, when I buy into SnGs, I use the other and the money goes back into it. Anyone know if that functionality exists on Full Tilt or any of the other sites?

her is my best advise for br management online...dont give them a damn dime....start out by winning a few freerolls and build from there...it is the onl;y sure fire way to make a "profit"..free is the best investment.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate all the post, and sorry pokerorfice for the misunderstanding, and I will check out that book on 6-max.I also agree with the fact that you have to stick with micro buyin for MTT in this situation which makes it a little tough. I'm trying out new areas, so far, I have been winning at HU sng since my last post. I have managed to win about 40$ profit at the $2, and once I was a little more confident I tried out the $5 and was crushing them, about 3-4 in a row. I havn't lost but 1 $2 game out of about 10-12 games or so. I'll keep at these and I'm also going to try some low 10-20 cash and let you guys know how it goes.

I tried the same thing. I won like ten in a row. Thought I was the best HU player EVER!!!
I got cocky, played like a donk, and lost the next 4 or 5.Then I felt like I was the worst HU player EVER!!!

HU can be profitable, but don't let your success go to your head. Play your game, not theirs.

very true, i'm more humble now, as I realize I'm not going to win every heads up, but it is so much fun!

no

trying to reduce at max the variance and not trying to recover going to a higher level.

Well the best way to start building it are freerolls in my opinion and from there just play sensibly.

I usually end up tilting at MTTs because I have to go or don't have enough time to complete them all but I did get quite a lot of money in some freerolls and cash tables..

Make sure to actually do the Full Tilt Academy challenge, not just watch the vid. I have had more luck building bankroll from freerolls (including the generous Cardschat ones!) than cash games.

100 times your buy-in, every game!? ROI of 100%? Pffffff! You must suck - I make at least 1000 times my buy-in every single time I sit down at an MTT.

You want to build a bankroll with that amount, play SnG one on one. You can build your bankroll fast.

you have to play within your bankroll is all...but that doesnt mean you cant take chances everynow and again, if you find yourself dominating the stakes that you are at then i suggest you take a chance in a tournament that might be out of your bankroll...youll be happy with the place if you do get a place in it and your bankroll will soar

My advice to you with $100 is, have 100 buy-ins for sngs/tournaments. I'm not a solid skilled player but I've been steadily profiting for a month because of a good bankroll management. With 100 buy-ins, you leave yourself a lot of room for variance and mistakes. You may hear stories about Ferguson pulling it off to 10k using 20 buy-in brm. But we're not Chris Ferguson. We do not hold BA and PhD in Mathematics who mastered the application of game theory while being heavily experienced in tournaments and played one of highest cash game stakes in the world.

On the other hand, this one definitely is not.

Edit: in order to make this post somewhat productive... there's a lot of bad advice floating around in this thread. You don't want to be playing the 180 person sng's with a bankroll like that. There's too high variance with those - try playing the 18 or 27 player ones if you feel multiple tables are better for you, but the less people in the tournament the lower variance there is.

The opposite is true with cash games - you definitely don't want to be trying heads up play with a small BR (especially at the micros where rake will eat up your profits). But really, if you aren't playing winning poker in whatever style you choose you'll lose money anyway, so pick what you can do well at while maintaining reasonable variance.

+1

There's some good advice, but it's mixed in w some ideas that range from uninformed to borderline absurd.

I wonder if anyone would be willing to accept a challenge and develop a clear, simple guide to basic BR concepts that addresses at least the following:

1. What is a BR and what is variance, and how do the two concepts relate to each other.
2. I play NLHE cash games, what are the general recommendations.
3. I play PLO cash games, what are the general recommendations.
4. I play limit cash games, what are the general recommendations.
5. I play MTT's, what are the general recommendations.
6. I play SnG's, what are the general recommendations.

I realize that there are tons of posts around regarding BRM, but I don't recall a general, straightforward, clear post that addresses all the above.

I'd be willing to help anyone who wishes to do this, but I can only help w 1 through 4, I don't know the recommendations for the last two.

0.10 NL holdem with 8 weaker players if available...Anything less than this cannot be caracterized as poker.

Of course that's what works for me, many would prefer the 5.50$ SNGs of 9 players I guess if you prefer them to the more free cash games.

I don't like MTTs because it takes 2 long and sometimes you can't commit yourself that much so I would go with one of the first 2 options...Gd luck

Seriously, we cannot tell you what to do. While you think you are doing well at MTTs, after 2 years you only have $100. Unless that's a new deposit after you lost your last roll. That happens. Especially if you don't use BRM. (Been there.)

To answer your question: Yes, if you want to stay within BRM limits, you have to stick to low buy in tourneys and micro cash games.

The reason many people play cash games is because they have the patience to grind out those small winnings and the stability not to tilt off their roll.

The reason others play MTTs is because they limit their basic risk to the buy-in and hope to make a final table and a great ROI. If you are not ITM about 15% of the time on MTTs, and often make deep runs, you might want to try 9 person SNGs instead, where 30% of the players cash rather than 10%. SNGs are also a bit of a grind, with no huge wins, but can be a consistent moneymaker for many.

If you are playing on FT, and have built up a stack of FTPs, Academy points and maybe ironman points, go buy some Step 1 tickets. Step 1 sngs are often soft, if slow going, and half the people make at least their buy-in back. Great odds. Or load up on Daily Dollar tickets if you want to play MTTs.

Unless you get very lucky at a Daily Dollar, it will take a long long time to grind out a good bankroll with a $100 start. Patience, grasshopper. There is no easy way.

Nut peddle at 10 PLO?

no way theres only one tournament on fulltilt that you could even consider playing a mmt if you only have 5$ in ur bankroll the ten cent rebuy...im your playing a 1$ mtt you atleast need 20-30$ if your really good.. i wnt do it consistently untill im over 100$

Yeah, we should collect something somewhere that answers:

I have $50/$100/$200/freeroll winnings of $8. I want to play NLHE cash games/SnGs/MTTs. What games should I play? Why? And how? What are the risks if I go outside the restriction?

Play the $1 mtt's, the .10 rebuy, & $1 rebuys. Cross fingers & hope to run good.
I got kinda lucky - my first night on Fulltilt, my very first game of any kind online actually was the Ferguson & I placed 2nd for $114.00 ez game (or so I thought).

Playing micro buyin MTTs can really suck though too - making deep runs, picking up HUGE pots from players calling off with ridiculous hands, but then of course those same retarded turn shove calls w nothing but a gutter will sometimes hit & then 3+hrs. out the window. They're not for recommended for emotional folk (like 'me', lol). I thought I'd try a handful the other day, went out close to bubble on a good stack in all of them.. sigh.. 4hrs. of nothingness (which is to be expected in MTT play). One day though, the majority of your big hands hold, you might even win with a suckout (suckouts... hmm.. what are they like?).. and win a couple of races & find yourself on the final table, looking at a decent cash (< I miss that experience.. maybe I'm due for one today??).

OP, obviously go with what you like to play. If ring isn't what you're into, grinding out a small steady profit might not be the way to go. Myself, on some sites I primarily play ring games & on others it's pretty much only tournament play. (some sites slowly climb.. others are pretty swingy)

+1!
Exactly my point as to why I would go with a ring game or SNG, the micro MTTs take 2 much time, commitment, and emotions with a low probability of winnig pennies or ending up with nothing! take something faster where you can spot the other players easily and play accordingley for the rest of the SNG or the rest of the hour in ring game...