Bad advice on CardsChat

#1 23-08-2008, 6:17 PM

Confession: This is double-posted from another thread, since I think the subject deserves a thread of its own.

Not to disparage anyone, but since we have this 50-post target, there's a lot more bad advice being posted, like "never draw to a flush" or "go with your gut." You can learn a lot on CardsChat, but only if you make the effort to discern quality advice from that sot of thing. If you put in the effort, you'll learn what constitutes quality analysis, and you'll start to recognize certain names and that some of the members here are worth listening to. With the posting frenzy, the quality is a little diluted, but it's still there. It's not a bad thing, really. There are a lot more threads now that are back to the basics - things like how to calculate odds, size bets, figure equity and expected Value.

If you're a newbie, don't be afraid of being wrong. You actually learn a hell of a lot when your dearly held notions are challenged and someone successfully helps you to open your eyes and see things the right way. And there IS a right way. There are many situations in poker where a given move is provably correct or incorrect. You might make the wrong move and still win, or vice versa, but over the long run, such play will cost you.

Lest I sound like a know-it-all, I've probably posted more incorrect theories than anyone. But I sure have gotten an education on here. If you're new to CardsChat, you've stumbled on to a jewel - probably the friendliest and most helpful poker tool on the internet.
Gary the Worden

#2 23-08-2008, 7:27 PM

I agree with you, Gary. But I think bad advice can come from anywhere. There are even self-professed losing players who are regulars here on CC with many, many posts who insist on giving advice that is often wrong. Conversely, there are also new members who are great players that give good advice but are unknown and thus, viewed with caution.

Whenever I see someone post a thread entitled "So-n-So's Guide to Such-n-Such", I take it with a grain of salt. This even applies to many hand analysis replies I see. Unless I know that player is good or got his info from a good source (like a book), I never fully buy into what I read here.

But it's definitely great to see many different opinions on different subjects.

#3 23-08-2008, 11:15 PM

I agree. There are a lot of hit-and-run posts with just awful advice. It would be nice if members could rate every post with + or - to give some perspective.

#4 23-08-2008, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PokerVic

I agree. There are a lot of hit-and-run posts with just awful advice. It would be nice if members could rate every post with + or - to give some perspective.

This was sort of what one of my site suggestions was about. You can rate the thread as a whole but not a singular post. Alot of times the htread will be great but a few post will steer everything the wrong way and derail the whole conversation.

#5 24-08-2008, 10:37 PM

No advice is bad advice, to each his own. If you dont like it you dont have to listen to it. There are many different ways to play a hand. There isnt one set way to do anything in this game.

#6 24-08-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philber420

No advice is bad advice, to each his own. If you dont like it you dont have to listen to it. There are many different ways to play a hand. There isnt one set way to do anything in this game.

This is seriously bad advice.

#7 24-08-2008, 11:22 PM

most of the bad advice is probably from the women trying to confuse the guys

#8 25-08-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by katymaty

most of the bad advice is probably from the women trying to confuse the guys

#9 25-08-2008, 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by katymaty

most of the bad advice is probably from the women trying to confuse the guys

Note to staff;

No guy with half a brain would be this crass.

#10 25-08-2008, 2:01 AM

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Originally Posted by appstatepkr77

I understand we don't need people saying go with gut, just because thats not really helping anyone. But like someone already said No advice is bad advice. Maybe some people can't analyze a hand like some can, so they say what they think which might not be the perfect way to play the hand. You can't knock on some people's advice tho, this is a community forum. People's opinions are open.

Post spammers? If all opinions are equally valid, then what point is there in learning, studying, books, discussion? For that matter, why is any poker decision any better than any other? Let's all just go all in every hand. That's my advice. And since there's no such thing as bad advice, I must be right.

Of course some ways to play a situation are better than others, and there is such a thing as bad advice. You guys are just ridiculous to argue otherwise. Anyone who advises making plays which lead to overall bad expected Value is giving bad advice.

That's not so much of a problem, though, if they were open to discussion. Stating over and over again that they are sticking to their opinion is not discussion. There's a lot to learn here, and frankly subpar posters are clogging up the forums, arguing about the most basic things and saying ridiculous things like there's no such thing as bad advice.

I'd be happy to discuss it with you.

#11 25-08-2008, 2:01 AM

Bad advice is everywhere, CardsChat is no exception. I can't think of a single source of knowledge that you can rely on, unfiltered,with 100% accuracy.

That information is out there means nothing if you can't locate it, decide if it's accurate, decide the proper use and apply and develop what you've learned.

These skills are how you discover knowledge. That you can identify incorrect information is a good thing. Even information from different poker pro's is sometimes contradictory or of suspect value to others. Much like a poker hand, it is what you do with knowledge not what it is that determines it's value.

I don't agree that there is no bad advice - there is certainly bad advice. That is different from having an opinion. Certainly everyone can have opinions and give advice but,to take all advice and opinion as valid (meaning accurate and true) is something I'd advise against as much advice and opinion is "bad" (meaning inaccurate and false). Even valid information can be made invalid by improper application. exmp:Of course its "correct" to use a fire extinguisher on a fire except when the fire is grease and the extinguisher is for paper fires. Poker is one of those endeavors as someone said, "..... is like making love, most think they are much better at it than they really are."

Finding and following accurate information and applying it in the proper place is much of what makes that person more knowledgeable than one who finds and follows BS and applies it in the wrong place - and there is a lot of that around.

Merlin333

what glworden said-lol

#12 25-08-2008, 3:57 AM

Saying that you should shove with 99 if you feel lucky is an opinion. Can't really fault someone's opinion.

Saying that you're 50% to make a flush on the turn with 2 suited cards on the flop is bad advice. Rather, it's incorrect advice. That bothers me when I see it.

#13 25-08-2008, 4:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlin333

Bad advice is everywhere, CardsChat is no exception. I can't think of a single source of knowledge that you can rely on, unfiltered,with 100% accuracy.

That information is out there means nothing if you can't locate it, decide if it's accurate, decide the proper use and apply and develop what you've learned.

These skills are how you discover knowledge. That you can identify incorrect information is a good thing. Even information from different poker pro's is sometimes contradictory or of suspect value to others. Much like a poker hand, it is what you do with knowledge not what it is that determines it's value.

I don't agree that there is no bad advice - there is certainly bad advice. That is different from having an opinion. Certainly everyone can have opinions and give advice but,to take all advice and opinion as valid (meaning accurate and true) is something I'd advise against as much advice and opinion is "bad" (meaning inaccurate and false). Even valid information can be made invalid by improper application. exmp:Of course its "correct" to use a fire extinguisher on a fire except when the fire is grease and the extinguisher is for paper fires. Poker is one of those endeavors as someone said, "..... is like making love, most think they are much better at it than they really are."

Finding and following accurate information and applying it in the proper place is much of what makes that person more knowledgeable than one who finds and follows BS and applies it in the wrong place - and there is a lot of that around.

Merlin333

what glworden said-lol

I guess your talking about the US Government? anyone wanna buy a WOMD?

#14 25-08-2008, 8:52 AM

Frankly, i think the quality of the advices one gets varies a lot depending on the subforum. In the cash game HA forum you often have great analysis and discussions going on. In the general forums on the other hand...

#15 25-08-2008, 8:58 AM

well, think about this for a second. would any of you recommend a new player only play the following hole cards.....pocket 7's-A's and AK AQ? reguardless of the situation if you have anything other than these cards you should fold. Is that good or bad advice? Think about this than read down to see where this advice comes from.

Poker pro Phil Helmuth recommends that all new players only play those 10 hands

#16 25-08-2008, 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowboy8112

well, think about this for a second. would any of you recommend a new player only play the following hole cards.....pocket 7's-A's and AK AQ? reguardless of the situation if you have anything other than these cards you should fold. Is that good or bad advice? Think about this than read down to see where this advice comes from.

Poker pro Phil Helmuth recommends that all new players only play those 10 hands

Well, PH is a tournament player, and the tournaments beginners play are usually low buy-in tournaments that have terrible structures. So even at the start of the tournaments you have medium stack sizes and then his advice is a reasonable solid foundation. Especially since most beginners tend to play too loose.

#17 25-08-2008, 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboy8112

Poker pro Phil Helmuth recommends that all new players only play those 10 hands

And it's good advice. I guarantee that you can beat 25NL by playing only those 10 hands.

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