Attempting to find leak with W$SD

#1 30th September 2010, 12:03 PM

I have a really low W$SD stat of 47.1% over around 60k hands. Just looking through my stats to try and figure out what I can be doing to try and get this going up a little. I know my C bet% is quite high and think this along with c bet success rate may be affecting things. Just wondering if someone can point me in the right direction with this.

Open to any thoughts, questions, suggestions...

#2 30th September 2010, 12:23 PM

Looking into it more, I am making a profit when seeing showdown, at 144bb/100 so I guess I am losing more small pots and winning the bigger ones. So it's the smaller pots I want to concentrate on to get this better...

#3 30th September 2010, 11:33 PM

No expert here but advice is advice. I think for your VPIP/PFR you're not going to showdown quite enough. I'm not sure how it correlates but at 6-max I'm around 21/19 and see showdowns a little more than you. I'm thinking with a tighter range we should see a higher WTSD? I could be way off though.

At FR 5nl 7k hands I'm running at 14/13 and getting to showdown 28.3% with W$SD of 50.3%.

Also your c-bet IS crazy high, not sure how that corresponds though.

I think maybe you're c-betting lots of flops, only half the turns, and this may mean you're giving up on the turn a lot. Meh I'm making lots of guesses. Hope I've been slightly helpful.

#4 30th September 2010, 11:35 PM

Just read your second post, if you're winning lots of big pots at showdown, then you're definitely not seeing enough showdowns. Sometimes you need to showdown the worst hand and in smaller pots. Not just the big ones that play themselves.

#5 1st October 2010, 5:25 AM

Meh it's 10NL, most players tend to have very bad redlines. Mine's absolutely awful. In return, it means that my value bets are getting paid off a ton, so my blue line more than makes up for it

#6 1st October 2010, 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pascal LeFiscal

Meh it's 10NL, most players tend to have very bad redlines. Mine's absolutely awful. In return, it means that my value bets are getting paid off a ton, so my blue line more than makes up for it

True but it sounds like he could benefit in getting to showdown more often with medium strength hands in medium/small size pots. Obviously you need to have solid thinking behind it and hand reading to determine when yo uhave showdown value.

A mix of 2nl/5nl this month and my redline is about breakeven yay

#7 1st October 2010, 1:50 PM

Isn't that the opposite of what I should be trying to do? I filtered my hands by Saw showdown, won or loss less than 20bbs, hand value of one pair or less on river and got this.

#8 1st October 2010, 2:08 PM

Yeah I think you're right, with the same filters I'm showing -79.5BB/100 over 121 hands. I'm really confused what to think now then. I suppose we just have to go by what YOU think the leak is. It will probably be a lot easier to determine yourself but going from my stats it might be a leak.

Anyone else care to post another set with these filters?

#9 1st October 2010, 2:42 PM

How do you set it for hand value of one pair or less?

#10 1st October 2010, 8:58 PM

Just go to filters/hand value and highlight everything from high card to one pair.

#11 1st October 2010, 11:06 PM

how can you get your stats like this? is it some sort of software?

#12 1st October 2010, 11:47 PM

Hold'em Manager, download the free trial. Also try PT3, it basically does the same thing. Try them both.

#13 2nd October 2010, 4:31 AM

170 hands, -1.71BB/100.

That's including paired boards where I don't have two pair

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