Another reason not to limp UTG with AA

#1 4th June 2007, 11:38 PM

Full Tilt Poker Game #2583421870: Super Satellite to $1K Monday (19243365), Table 4 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:34:33 ET - 2007/06/04
jayneseo: lol
Seat 1: sangenjaya (2,592)
Seat 2: Silent Asazin (750)
Seat 3: jayneseo (4,825)
Seat 4: bnapa (4,180)
Seat 5: lleall (2,684)
Seat 6: tooturney (3,860)
Seat 8: NH_4Me2PoopOn (4,995)
Seat 9: splashthaap0t (2,095)
sangenjaya antes 25
Silent Asazin antes 25
jayneseo antes 25
bnapa antes 25
lleall antes 25
tooturney antes 25
NH_4Me2PoopOn antes 25
splashthaap0t antes 25
jayneseo posts the small blind of 120
bnapa posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jayneseo [9h Td]
lleall calls 240
tooturney folds
NH_4Me2PoopOn folds
splashthaap0t folds
sangenjaya folds
Silent Asazin folds
jayneseo calls 120
bnapa checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Jh Kd]
jayneseo bets 920
bnapa folds
lleall raises to 2,419, and is all in
jayneseo calls 1,499
lleall shows [Ah As]
jayneseo shows [9h Td]
layingdatrap sits down
layingdatrap adds 2,880
*** TURN *** [Qs Jh Kd] 8♦
*** RIVER *** [Qs Jh Kd 8d] 2♥
lleall shows a pair of Aces
jayneseo shows a straight, King high
jayneseo wins the pot (5,758) with a straight, King high
lleall stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,758 | Rake 0
Board: [Qs Jh Kd 8d 2h]
Seat 1: sangenjaya folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Silent Asazin (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: jayneseo (small blind) showed [9h Td] and won (5,758) with a straight, King high
Seat 4: bnapa (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: lleall showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: tooturney folded before the Flop
Seat 8: NH_4Me2PoopOn folded before the Flop
Seat 9: splashthaap0t folded before the Flop

#2 5th June 2007, 1:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayneseo

Full Tilt Poker Game #2583421870: Super Satellite to $1K Monday (19243365), Table 4 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:34:33 ET - 2007/06/04
jayneseo: lol
Seat 1: sangenjaya (2,592)
Seat 2: Silent Asazin (750)
Seat 3: jayneseo (4,825)
Seat 4: bnapa (4,180)
Seat 5: lleall (2,684)
Seat 6: tooturney (3,860)
Seat 8: NH_4Me2PoopOn (4,995)
Seat 9: splashthaap0t (2,095)
sangenjaya antes 25
Silent Asazin antes 25
jayneseo antes 25
bnapa antes 25
lleall antes 25
tooturney antes 25
NH_4Me2PoopOn antes 25
splashthaap0t antes 25
jayneseo posts the small blind of 120
bnapa posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jayneseo [9h Td]
lleall calls 240
tooturney folds
NH_4Me2PoopOn folds
splashthaap0t folds
sangenjaya folds
Silent Asazin folds
jayneseo calls 120
bnapa checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Jh Kd]
jayneseo bets 920
bnapa folds
lleall raises to 2,419, and is all in
jayneseo calls 1,499
lleall shows [Ah As]
jayneseo shows [9h Td]
layingdatrap sits down
layingdatrap adds 2,880
*** TURN *** [Qs Jh Kd] 8♦
*** RIVER *** [Qs Jh Kd 8d] 2♥
lleall shows a pair of Aces
jayneseo shows a straight, King high
jayneseo wins the pot (5,758) with a straight, King high
lleall stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,758 | Rake 0
Board: [Qs Jh Kd 8d 2h]
Seat 1: sangenjaya folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Silent Asazin (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: jayneseo (small blind) showed [9h Td] and won (5,758) with a straight, King high
Seat 4: bnapa (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: lleall showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: tooturney folded before the Flop
Seat 8: NH_4Me2PoopOn folded before the Flop
Seat 9: splashthaap0t folded before the Flop

I love people who limp aganist me haha

#3 5th June 2007, 4:37 AM

Limping AA UTG is a very read dependent play. On an aggressive table or with very aggressive players in late position it's a nice idea.

#4 5th June 2007, 4:55 AM

So I guess Dan Harrington is an idiot for recommending limping with it UTG 20% of the time. As Schatz pointed out, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, at all. It can be risky, as shown, but can also pay huge dividends. Pretty unlucky sequence of events for the guy (no raise, horrible flop), if you think about it.

#5 5th June 2007, 7:35 AM

Don't remember calling anyone an idiot..... How about this, if you limp UTG with AA beware of connected flops and big bets?

#6 5th June 2007, 8:18 AM

Yeah I think the principle is more general, like "when limping Aces UTG be wary of playing in an unraised pot." Obviously you give the later position guys a shot at limping with marginals and they could hit anything or pick up great draws. Also the BB gets a freeroll and he could have any two. Reads will help you out here as your now in the dark essentially.

#7 5th June 2007, 8:20 AM

Saw a post somewhere about this. Limping with high pairs from early position supposed to be one of the "new" tactics used. In line with the "UTG is the new Button" style play that actually seems to work on TAG tables.

#8 5th June 2007, 8:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crancko

Saw a post somewhere about this. Limping with high pairs from early position supposed to be one of the "new" tactics used. In line with the "UTG is the new Button" style play that actually seems to work on TAG tables.

it only works if you are a strong enough player to fold them, most are not. take this for instance if you limp and 5 people see flop can you get away from it? or even if you limp and big blind only sees hand can you again muck it?

most cant and will go broke there, for the players that can not fold it raise it preflop every single time and never limp it.

the reason to limp them is so that someone behind you raises and you can re-raise. If that dosent happen though most of the time they go in the muck because now you are playing most likely OOP against random hands and have no idea what you are up against.

#9 5th June 2007, 8:35 AM

True, stormsva. But if you are quite comfortable folding whatever hand if the flop or the play doesnt fit your reads and expectations, it is handy. And yes again, the limping is most often a tool to get aggressive types to commit to the pot making it a tool for maximizing profit rather than your standard play tool.

#10 5th June 2007, 5:44 PM

u limp with ace a bad flop like that comes y lose all your money just muck them your tring to get in preflop not on a bord like that just take the loss off the blinds and move on aces are not that great

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