All in EV graph on PT3

#1 10th April 2010, 5:52 PM

ive started trying out NL10 rush on full tilt, ive played around 6k hands, and cant seem to make a decent profit, im taking an unbelievable amount of beats consistantly, and i cant really understand what im doing wrong, here is my all in EV graph, is it just standard or unlucky or what im not too sure..

#2 10th April 2010, 6:09 PM

1. Sample size is tiny.
2. All in ev is generaly a rather inacurate indicator on how your running.

Post some hands/stats if u want some feedback, no one is gonna be able to offer u any advice from looking at a all in ev graph.

#3 10th April 2010, 6:32 PM

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Originally Posted by S93

1. Sample size is tiny.
2. All in ev is generaly a rather inacurate indicator on how your running.

Post some hands/stats if u want some feedback, no one is gonna be able to offer u any advice from looking at a all in ev graph.

ok thanks, are these of any more use?

#4 10th April 2010, 6:33 PM

http://img714.imageshack.us/i/perm.jpg/
http://img179.imageshack.us/i/posj.jpg/

#5 10th April 2010, 6:52 PM

Have you got a filter applied on the position picture? There are only 380 hands and your vpip/pfr is 94/81... that is crazy high. Make sure all filters are cleared and try again...

#6 10th April 2010, 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stubzy11

Have you got a filter applied on the position picture? There are only 380 hands and your vpip/pfr is 94/81... that is crazy high. Make sure all filters are cleared and try again...

sorry your right, here

#7 10th April 2010, 7:10 PM

Is this FR??

#8 10th April 2010, 7:18 PM

Lol obv not, just me being a dumbass, your being WAY too loose for FR rush imo, and to passive at that.

Tighten up from everywhere really but definetly from the blinds! Your being way too loose from there imo, tighten way up and if you come in make sure your raising, your oop the whole hand so you wanna either have the initiative or have a hand.

#9 10th April 2010, 7:20 PM

Your positionally aware but your just playing too loose, tighten up for a while and your winrate goes up.

And dont pay any attention to your EV line, it means nothing and will just mess with your head.

#10 10th April 2010, 7:23 PM

It is FR, check out the 9 positions on the screenshot posted.

Quote:

Tighten up from everywhere really but definetly from the blinds!

+1

#11 10th April 2010, 7:29 PM

As something to compare it too, this is my stats from 5nl FR rush, different program but w/e the point about the blinds is still there, look how much i'm playing from the blinds compared to you, and look how im playing from the blinds, with a raise most of the time. Everytime the SB completes, raise, everytime its folded to you in the SB, raise, apart from that just stick to a tight range of hands, i'd probs say you were set-mining too much as well, just bin small PP's from the blinds to a raise imo, unless your over-calling, b/c you just aren't going to be able to extract enough value when you hit often enough for you to make a profit.

#12 10th April 2010, 7:51 PM

thanks, i normally limp with all pairs up to queens, as say i raise 3x BB, then get re raised quite big, i havnt got good odds to call to hit my set, but say i just limp the biggest raise they are usually going to do is 4x BB, then if i hit my set players at this level cant normally let go AA/KK/QQ on a low flop if i push my set hard. is this reasoning sound?

also say i raise with hands like AQ, should i be folding to a re raise?

also is cold calling raises with suited connectors ok if in position?

thanks

#13 10th April 2010, 8:01 PM

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Originally Posted by orangepeeleo

As something to compare it too, this is my stats from 5nl FR rush, different program but w/e the point about the blinds is still there, look how much i'm playing from the blinds compared to you, and look how im playing from the blinds, with a raise most of the time. Everytime the SB completes, raise, everytime its folded to you in the SB, raise, apart from that just stick to a tight range of hands, i'd probs say you were set-mining too much as well, just bin small PP's from the blinds to a raise imo, unless your over-calling, b/c you just aren't going to be able to extract enough value when you hit often enough for you to make a profit.

ok is opening an unraised pot form late position with suited gappers, low pairs ok at this level?

#14 10th April 2010, 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by i aint assd

thanks, i normally limp with all pairs up to queens

Come in raising whenever you can, all of my experience is from 5nl rush so some of my strat might not be suitable for 10nl but in general people play really tight so a 3xbb raise will often take down the blinds from most positions, so you have 2 reasons for raising all PP's 1)its not a bad hand and theres always the trusty cbet if you miss, and 2)you'll probs steal the blinds

, as say i raise 3x BB, then get re raised quite big, i havnt got good odds to call to hit my set, but say i just limp the biggest raise they are usually going to do is 4x BB, then if i hit my set players at this level cant normally let go AA/KK/QQ on a low flop if i push my set hard. is this reasoning sound?

Not really b/c your playing very 'fit or fold' poker like this, in general you'll have no history with the raiser so you have no idea where your at on certain flops, this takes away a lot of the chances where you could c/r on dry boards etc as you would if you knew he opened a lot and cbet a lot too, then you could call with all sorts and get him off of hands, but your going to find yourself ccheck-folding a LOT playing like this and your often not going to get enough value when you do hit b/c your oop and its not only harder to extract value but its bloody obvious when your trying to, anyone with half a brain folds to turn c/r's after a check-call on the flop unless they have the nuts lol

also say i raise with hands like AQ, should i be folding to a re raise?

Depends a lot on villain but i'd rather not play AQ oop, if the blinds 3bet you then i probs call, if someone has position on me i don't like calling personally but some say thats nitty, in the past i've just got into too many shitty spots with AQ, again, i don't know how the dynamic is at 10nl but at 5nl people aren't 3betting hands like AJ/AT so if you get 3bet you could easily be crushed by AA/KK/QQ type hands

also is cold calling raises with suited connectors ok if in position?

I like to over-call SC's if i can, ie call behind if there has already been one caller, i'll overcall from the blinds too, with an extra person in the pot you have more chance of being paid when you hit the flop hard, if i'm on the BTN or in the CO and someone in LP has open raised i probs 3bet with SC's, peoples EDIT:LP /EDIT opening ranges are a lot wider in rush and you can exploit that by 3betting more sceptical cards when your in position

thanks

Comments in bold hopefully it makes sense as i often dont lol

#15 10th April 2010, 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by i aint assd

ok is opening an unraised pot form late position with suited gappers, low pairs ok at this level?

Your wordings a bit weird here, if you mean OPENING a pot, ie no one has came in and its been folded to you then definetly in LP i'm opening all pairs, all SC's higher suited gappers, most broadway, all Ax's.

If you mean there's been 1 or 2 limpers and it gets to you in LP then no i tighten up and raise mainly for value instead.

#16 10th April 2010, 8:23 PM

thanks very much for this, a lot appreciated. Just trying to get a grip with these kind of players as they all pretty much play the same, play is very tight, id even say playing NL100 rush is easier than NL10 as you get the mix of complete idiot casino players in there aswell who just want a gamble

Ill get to work this week and let you know how i get on

cheers

#17 10th April 2010, 9:15 PM

Np, it is tight but its also really passive, just concentrate on position and generally bet til they raise lol

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