AA and KK after flop play...a few ?'s

Hi everyone im new here.... gotta question because this seems to be the most common way i get knocked outta tourny's.....how do you respond to an all in.. or big raise with AA or KK after the flop...obviously with KK you fold with an ace on board.....but i seem to be losing alot to two pair and trips even when the board looks very friendly....just looking for some tips ..thank you !!!

Are you reraising enough preflop with your AA/KK? That should knock any crap out so that friendly-looking flops really are friendly flops.

I usually raise to about 5-7 times the big blind , u'd think it would knock out those people with medium pocket pairs and garbage aces but it just doesnt... for instance last night i had KK late position raised 6 times the blind and both the small and big blind called...flop comes J 8 3 ...i make a pot sized bet and get reraised all in by a fairly loose player...thinking he has AJ or KJ or somwhere along those lines i call.... he has J 8 off suit.........do you think i should just push all in when i have these hands? it seems like doing that would lose alot of the hands value...it almost makes me not want to get AA or KK because it seems to get me in trouble bout half the time i get them...too many people in these online tourny's seem to have ATC syndrome and it drives me nutz

If someone is calling 6x bb with j8 of they're playing horribly. Just keep raising your usual amount preflop for whatever position ur in(early middle late). Try to get a feel for how many calling stations are at the table before you put a lot of money into the pot. Then adjust your preflop bet accordingly. Post flop you really have to develop an instinct or sixth sense if a calling statioin comes in with you. The more you play the more you will know the chances that a station hit a big flop against you. Develop your instincts thats the best advise I can give you.

I agree. These chumps are giving you their money long term. If you keep your Hand histories, go back and count how many times your aces get cracked. You'll find it's only 20% or less, despite what you may think. You tend to forget when the rockets win, because you expect them to.

One caveat though. If you're playing KK and an A comes on the flop, get out. There's ALWAYS someone who thinks Ax is a power hand.

It seems to me that you are playing alot of play money or low limit games. I used to see this alot before I started playing the real money tables. I don't think this will ever change. Keep doing what you have been. Low stakes/Free games allow people with poor poker skills to look for that big pot quick.

Thanks for the advice guys , its good to know im not playing it stupid or any thing , btw the tournys i play range from 5 - 20 dollar buy in's on U.B. , i seem to have the problem the most in the 5-10 dollar buy in's obviosuly because the callign stations are at these tables. Good news by the way finished 4th earlier this morning and AA and KK held up the 5 times i got them!!! , lost QQ to AK and got knocked out but i can handle that one !!!

For the record, I absolutely HATE A-A... I do seem to lose that hand fairly frequently...

A little aside to this is a funny story which happened at a brick-and-mortar tourney over the summer... I was at the final table and got dealt A-A on the button. I push in a sizable amount, about 5x the BB and got re-raised all-in by another player. Then to boot, a THIRD player called the re-raiser all-in himself! I started shaking my head in disbelief, figuring them both on mid-to-high pocket pairs, and knowing that I almost HAD to call them... I start thinking about pot odds. If I fold, I preserve my stack for later, but one person double up and becomes an obvious chip bully. If I call and lose, I'm out.. busto... but if I call and WIN, I can pretty much sit back and wait for heads up play because I'm practically guaranteed to survive with most of the chips in play.

So I sigh and call the bet. My two opponents BOTH turn over K-K... drawing dead against each other... and I triple up and win the tourney. Gotta love THAT one!

Incredible. Good thing they held up!

Now that is a GREAT time for AA ! Thats what i dream about every time i'm dealt them!!

I wonder what the odds are of three people in a 9-handed table being dealt AA, KK, and KK? Maybe one of you brainiacs would like to figure it out?

I had that happen to me in a game but I had KK as well.

AA
Pre-Flop Raise 3 a 4x BB
Flop wout/help Raise ½ POT (carefully w board pairs)
wich/h SLOWPLAY (wout/ draws) or OVERBET (w/ draws)
Turn wout/h Bet = last bet or All-in (w/ draws )
w/h SLOWPLAY (n /draws) or OVERBET (w/ draws)
KK
Pre-Flop Raise 3 a 4x BB
Flop wout/h wout A - Raise ½ POT
wouth w A Check (caso RAISES -> Fold)
w/h SLOWPLAY (wout draws) or OVERBET (w/ draws)
Turn w/h SLOWPLAY (wout draws) or OVERBET (w/ draws)

QQ
Play Pre-Flop EXACTLY with KK or AA but flop cames A or K only check (slowplay) or with Raises à FOLD

that is just pure bs i feel 4 u on that y do donks even call..and y do syts respecet their stupididty and gve em a nice flop :S:S:S

If your being called by J/8 after a substancial raise that player is horribly bad or is chipbuilding at a re-buy table.

Other posters here have it right your A/A is going to be cracked 20% of the time under normal circumstances, but in a rebuy period with one or more maniac chipbuilders .... well those ain't normal circumstances. I haven't run the math but they will be cracked more than 20%.

A lot of new players come into re-buy tournaments and are flabbergasted at the tactic of chipbuilding. There are players, (usually better than average in skill) that will for the first 3/4 of the re-buy peirod go all-in with any 2 cards and not care if they win or lose, they just keep re-buying and going all-in so they can build a large mass of chips at the table.

Then around half way or 3/4 way in re-buy, just before the add-on break they will either get fortunate and aquire a big stack or tighten up and begin to collect as many chips as they can. After add-on break they have a chip advantage on about 3/4 of the field.

It's a crazy tactical strategy but there are players with a lot of cash who do this often to gain advantage where they can. I don't know if this is whats happening in your case, but that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read your original post.

For anyone who's never experianced chipbuilding in re-buy tournaments don't panic. Set a limit, 2 or 3 re-buys plus add-on, play like a ROCK during the re-buy peirod only go all-in with A/A, K/K, Q/Q, A/K and if your brave enough ANY pocket pair.

Your chances will be 50/50 of going into the main event (after re-buy) with a better than average stack or with the minimum. Re-buy peirod is often just a luck fest and luck is fickle, you can be just as lucky as anyone else during this time or conversely unlucky.

I've seen players spend over 400 bucks in the 10 dollar re-buys, to someone who is building a bankroll from scratch that looks CRAZY. But believe it or not there is a method to their madness, take advantage if you can, but beware it can cost you plenty. On the other hand it can also be a great advantage and lead into the main game.

When watching the WSOP on tv i saw alot of people go all in with KK and win but i've been in tournies with it about 3 times and lost to 2 pair or 3 of a kind so i usually try to wait and hope for a K on the flop

SPECIFIC HAND PLZ.

I hate folding these hands postflop, but when there's a big reraise on a tripped up flop after my standard CB. I usally have the sense to fold it, unless I'm up against a constant bluffer who raises on big draws.