7-card stud

#1 21st October 2008, 2:45 PM

I am very inexperienced at 7-card stud and I like playing HORSE so I need some help on the strategy of the game. What is the basic strategy for stud?? When do you raise, when do you call, what are good basic starting hands to play? I just need a little input so I can have a better idea of the game...

#2 29th October 2008, 1:47 AM

I'd be interested to hear any input as well.

#3 29th October 2008, 2:08 AM

Well, too bad Roy West is apparently gone now, because his book is the best beginner/intermediate guide to a very important game. Meaning: There exists another world before and beyond NLHE, and it is stud. Most pros today (the vets, not the Internet kids) are masters at it.

That having been said, I believe a topic such as this should be stickied for discussion if anyone is serious.

Being a limit game, unlike NLHE, you cant count on draws and outs for great implied odds, it is generally more profitable to play good starters and then follow Sklansky's theorem on further streets (minimize bad or marginalized situations, maximize best).

Starters range from 99X to JXJ minimum, to lo str fl draws, to high str or fl draws. No lo str draws. No lo prs without overcard and fl backup. Depending on board of course (if an A and K have entered the pot already, your Js are toast; 9s hidden may be playable but not usually), those are minimum. Why 99? Because the average winning hand is 999 overall, anything less is a losing proposition over time.

Now I yearn for a nosh, please blow out the candle on yr way out.

#4 29th October 2008, 2:09 AM

The basics apply in this game as well. Position is important. The first thing you have to do in stud is look at the the cards on the broad when every
one is dealt their starting hands. You have to see what cards on the broad are used up and you will not be able to catch in your hand as the hand progresses. Example is say you pair of aces in your hand but that you see one or two other aces in some elses hand. You now know that you can not make 4 of kind because one or both have been used up. You will have to pay strict attention to the cards as they come out on the table. You will have keep track all of this in the your head so that can be aware of what possible hands your opponent is trying to play or draw to.
As well as what hand you are trying make your opponent think you are trying to play. Also if the the game is limit form of blinds you will have players chasing alot of possible out comes. compared to No Limit. Read anything that you can find on the game.

#5 29th October 2008, 2:16 AM

Stuff I wrote:

http://www.cardschat.com/f11/c9-writ...ites+Card+STud
http://www.cardschat.com/f11/c9-writ...-hands-118074/
http://www.cardschat.com/f11/c9-writ...ng-ins-117496/

Stuff Roy West wrote that I think is particularly good:

Card Player Magazine - Mom Taught Me Not to Steal, but Mom Never Played Poker by Roy West - Card Player Magazine Article - CardPlayer.com
Card Player Magazine - More on Small and Medium Pairs on Third Street by Roy West - Card Player Magazine Article - CardPlayer.com
Card Player Magazine - Overcards on Third Street, Low- and Medium-Limit Stud by Roy West - Card Player Magazine Article - CardPlayer.com

#6 29th October 2008, 2:26 AM

great links and thoughts/analysis c9 ^^

#7 29th October 2008, 2:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makwa

Well, too bad Roy West is apparently gone now, because his book is the best beginner/intermediate guide to a very important game. Meaning: There exists another world before and beyond NLHE, and it is stud. Most pros today (the vets, not the Internet kids) are masters at it.

That having been said, I believe a topic such as this should be stickied for discussion if anyone is serious.

Being a limit game, unlike NLHE, you cant count on draws and outs for great implied odds, it is generally more profitable to play good starters and then follow Sklansky's theorem on further streets (minimize bad or marginalized situations, maximize best).

Starters range from 99X to JXJ minimum, to lo str fl draws, to high str or fl draws. No lo str draws. No lo prs without overcard and fl backup. Depending on board of course (if an A and K have entered the pot already, your Js are toast; 9s hidden may be playable but not usually), those are minimum. Why 99? Because the average winning hand is 999 overall, anything less is a losing proposition over time.

Now I yearn for a nosh, please blow out the candle on yr way out.

This is as right on the money as can be said. Though, I might play a little tighter even...

...also, YOU MUST KEEP YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR HAND IN STUD. It's imperative to know which live, and which dead cards you have. If you don't get on it right away, some of your cards could be folded and you wouldn't even know that they're dead.

This is the game I learned about poker with. My father played every night at the Elks Lodge. On the nights he had to babysit, I got lessons.

I love Stud.... No I don't. I hate Stud. No I don't. Yes I do.........

#8 30th October 2008, 9:27 PM

This is all excellent advice and strategy on 7-card stud... thank you

#9 31st October 2008, 5:45 AM

i like to wait for a pair higher then 10's trips or all suited connectors (but always see what the other have to see if you will hit ur draw or get ur trips)

#10 31st October 2008, 4:53 PM

I try to wait for good drawing hands in Stud. Stud is one of those games that you aren't going to win if you have just one pair, even if it's a pair of aces. You need those straights, flushes, and full houses most of the time. You want three starting cards that can be used together to make a good hand. You might be able to limp in with a pair and one other cards in your hand, but be prepared to get out of the hand early.

#11 31st October 2008, 5:12 PM

anytime i didn t played superthigh i was out before first break

#12 3rd November 2008, 7:18 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that having no community cards affects how you draw. There's really no such thing as just a made hand, unless you have hit a monster. You're constantly drawing and being drawn against, so you have to be repeatedly reevaluating your hand and your opponent's hand. There's no equivalent of what pocket aces are in hold 'em, a good starting hand that's unlikely to improve. You're never going to call with AA in hold 'em when you know you're beat in order to hit your set draw. It's either the best hand or it's not. In stud, it's very common to have your opponent hit two pair against you, raise, and then you have to call because you have enough outs to treat AA as a draw. You have 8 outs on 4th, 11 outs on 5th, and 14 outs on 6th (assuming none of your cards are dead). Since it's limit, it would be kind of exceptional to not be getting enough pot odds to make those calls. However, if it looks like your opponent may have filled up, you need to be able to drop those aces right away, because you're drawing dead.

#13 3rd November 2008, 9:35 PM

Hey , damn , i hav no idea what 7 cardStud is like , just a few rules ..

It wud be great if you'll can post up some basic strats

Thanks ! and GL

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