40BB buy in at 5-10 cent

Has any one tried buying in for 40BB at this level. I know from everything I've read here most of you recommend buying in for 100BB. I was just reading YourDooms post and listening to him. I was just wondering if anyone has tried the buying in at 40BB and if what you are doing is working?

Buy in for 40BB if you want to make less money

It is a strategy Yourdoom uses and teaches. I was just wondering if any one has tried it? He made a lot of money doing it.

#1 overall winner at $10/$20 NL on Pokerstars in 2010 - My story

A. I can't find where in his post he mentions anything about buying in for 40BB.
B. Just because one person might employ a bad strategy and it works for him, doesn't mean that it will work for you. You will find a lot more 100BB buy-in strategies that are winning than you will 40BB... want to know why???
C. People on the forum are not lying to you so stop trying to go around the good advice and constantly try to find reasoning for why bad ideas are good.

didnt see any mention of it,

generally it seems to be a great way to not improve.

agree with this tbh.

Cali quote/link to an article describing this? honestly don't see how buying in short can be advantageous, if you have an advantage post-flop you want big effective stacks IMO..

Maybe you should try reading his entire post and checking out what he is doing.
http://www.yourdoompoker.com/

Everyone is quick around here to just assume a lot of things with out really knowing all the facts. Try reading his entire post and going deeper than the surface
http://www.yourdoompoker.com/

yourdoom plays with 100bb not 40-50bb, he obviously knows how for coaching purposes but it isnt optimal

Have you even watched his video? On his website?

Let's see. The things good players have going for them at micro stakes is that

1) Bad players call too much
2) Bad players call big bets with marginal hands
3) There are lots of bad players

Buying in for less than max mitigates the effects of numbers 1 and 2. Seems like a REALLY bad idea imo. But you should definitely try it. Just like you should try playing higher and at off-peak times because the competition is better.

" In addition to my specialty (100BB poker,) I have spent a considerable amount of time over the past few months learning, studying and perfecting play with a 40BB-50BB stack size"

quoted from his site, he won all his money playing 100bb deep,

Could you take a second watch his video? On his website? Is he just saying this to sell videos?

Are you afraid to watch his video?

I watched it. 1st thing you should notice in the hh on the vid.
Good Reg 1 - 100bb+
Good Reg 2 - 100bb+
Hero - 100bb+
Good Reg 3 - 100bb+
WEAK Reg - 40bb

Says it all imo. And yeah he's trying to sell videos. There is no doubt that a blind monkey could be taught a system to win playing a SS strategy (here 40bb) but we're supposedly smarter than that and we can do better playing full stacked.

BTW I'm sure the vid is worthwhile for 100bb players when playing against 40bb regs but there is no way I'd recommend moving to a 40bb stack size ESPECIALLY for micro stakes players.

sums it up really, there ARE a load of regs that play short stack reloads though..

dunno might just be a PS thing, but is there any advantage to this? at all?

video is talking about playing against 40-50bb stacks and using 40-50bb stack against regs at midstakes, not in the micros when you arent good

I did read his entire post that you linked to, #1 overall winner at $10/$20 NL on Pokerstars in 2010 - My story , and it had no reference to it. It was the website that you probably should have linked to if you were wanting to get a response on that in the first place.

As far as anything else, it's already been covered by others in this post. The only thing this would be useful for would be towards playing AGAINST 40BB POS's(where the effective stacks are 40BB), not actually buying in and playing with 40BB. Keep on arguing this some more, I'm sure you'll win an argument sooner or later...

Yes there can be if you're playing against 100bb players who don't know how to play against a 40bb stack but at micro stakes it's pretty pointless because
1) the 40bb players are generally HORRIBLE
2) the 100bb players are generally HORRIBLE.

this video is aimed at people 200NL and up anyway

Yes that's what I was wondering. I could not see this working to well against micro stakes players but I wasn't sure. That's why I asked for the input.
Thank you for taking the time to check out what I was asking

Awww....c'mon. Tell us how you REALLY feel about SS'ers!

40bb pocket pair raise shove , AK raise shove AQ raise shove , pocket pair reraise a raiser and shove, oh wait yeah 40bb shove shove shove lol.... ..

I've played for 40blinds before, purely because I coulden't afford a full buy-in at a particular level. Was it any good? Not really no.

Doing it at micros is a complete waste of time, because to make 40blinds strategy effective you need to be getting your chips in with more equity than those who are calling you, which of course is going happen more so at micros, but you may aswell get paid doing it with 100blinds thus, doubling your profit as opposed to halving it.

I learnt that minimum buying in is pointless and you may aswell just stick with SnG's like I do as most of the play is 40 blind play or less.

If you really want to play short stacked, then there are plently of cap games around to play where everyone is also 20blind/40blind deep.

There was a guy on this forum about a year ago "pokerpoopey" I think his name was and he bought in for minimum everytime(He was chasing SNE + VPP world record) and each hand he decided to play would be shoved PF, that was about it. Sure he was up over 100k but over several million hands but his main stratergy was to aim for SNE and earn money in rakeback. If these are your intentions..then sure go for it. Apart from that, you aren't really improving as a player. Oh and by the way, actually the rake system has changed now, so not even sure it would really be much benefit to SS these days even on stars.

At the micros, I find most 40bb players to be pretty bad. A few do what Ram mentioned above - the PF shove or fold - and it is so easy to exploit. I target the SS POS players as soon as I see them play a few hands. A couple are multi table regs, and I guess they have a reason for their play, but IMO they are mainly easy to exploit and beat.

If you buy in for less than full in the micros you will also be targeted by better regs, and the bad players wont give your stack size any merit,and you will win less when you get it in good.

lose-lose situation IMO.

And I watched the vid as well, the SS was the bad player.......

I play with 20 BB occasionally and have moderate success. However my goal isn't really to win a lot, but rather to be entertained and still win. The main benefit I have found with a SS is one of the reasons I play SS. Is because I have less fold equity which means I am more likely to get called. which I am totally cool with because my money isn't going in unless I feel probable to be the winner after all the cards have been played. But the only way I have benefitted consistantly is a fairly nitty style with a short stack and good BRM and knowing at what point to take winnings away from the table. Definately not a raise shove pre kind of game but pick ur spots get in good and hope the odds and percentages hold true.
But as others have stated most (including myself) are not really that good of players. However I do have fun and it can be done while still winning.

If you are nitting it up you would do better to buy in full so you get 60BB more when you have strong hands

20 or 100 what works for me Im an old Cat not trying to learn new tricks

Terrible... Plus where are you buying in for 20BB? Merge doesn't allow that and it doesn't look like it's winning you much if you're buying in short there either.

Hey everyone. Since you're asking, my 40BB strategy is largely math based so it can be used at any stakes.

I know I have a large number of students who play NL50 with it. I'm not sure how many play micro stakes with it.