Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

PLO tables typically play slower than NLHE tables, don't they?

Yes

More players per hand, and more hands go to showdown.

Originally Posted by baudib1

More players per hand, and more hands go to showdown.

You either win A LOT, or loose A LOT.

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Variance creates profits.

hey guys, two hands for you.



Cake - $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha (6 players)
Cake Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.77
BB: $3.34
UTG Hero: $3.90
MP: $0.41
CO: $3.93
BTN: $4.35

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) (2 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.16, BB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.58) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16

River: ($0.90) (2 players)
BB bets $0.90, Hero raises to $3.20, BB calls $2 (All-in)

Cake - $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha (6 players)
Cake Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.82
BB: $4
UTG Hero: $6.67
MP: $2.93
CO: $4.01
BTN: $2.15

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.26, BB raises to $0.65, Hero raises to $2.21, BB raises to $3.23 (All-in), Hero calls $1.67

Turn: ($7.37) (2 players)

River: ($7.37) (2 players)

Question, or just a brag?

well since I lost both of these hands, pretty much a question.

First hand, how would you play differently? is my reraise only going to get called by better hands on the river? is my very small bet on the turn a good play? is it the best play?

And second hand

Is it good to get it in there on the flop?

I've probably played less than one thousand hands in cash game plo at any stakes. If i played well, it was lucky, because apart from really pre flop play, I have no real clue what I am doing.

What's with the bet-sizing? It seems like you're betting small until you're beat. Hand 1 raise the pot on the flop and the turn. Probably just call the river if he's passive.

Hand 2 is fine to stack, you're never getting away from this in a HU pot.

Bink!

Originally Posted by baudib1

What's with the bet-sizing? It seems like you're betting small until you're beat. Hand 1 raise the pot on the flop and the turn. Probably just call the river if he's passive.

Hand 2 is fine to stack, you're never getting away from this in a HU pot.

Pretty much this ^

first hand, pot the flop.

2nd hand, pot the flop.

It is called Pot Limit........

You will find you get drawn out on a lot in PLO, and your best weapon is to pot it when you bet with anything less than the nuts. And even then you will get it in with the nuts, but the nuts will change....... the idea is to minimize the risk, and make the chaser pay...

You don't pot it to prevent from being drawn out on.

I hate the idea of just "auto potting" hands.

I think I'm starting to understand what people mean by PLO variance.

I'm still very much a fish, though.

Posted a few hands in HA section. Please don't try to be nice when commenting.

PokerStars Zoom Hand #84368357361: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2012/08/06 20:24:05 CET [2012/08/06 14:24:05 ET]
Table 'Eulalia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MonNnNie ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 2: AleyF ($14.48 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokbrainless ($9.49 in chips)
Seat 4: InspektorK ($6.36 in chips)
Seat 5: Ferraristi85 ($16.69 in chips)
Seat 6: Sunglade ($7.09 in chips)
AleyF: posts small blind $0.05
Pokbrainless: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pokbrainless [3h Ah 2s Qd]
InspektorK: folds
Ferraristi85: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Sunglade: folds
MonNnNie: folds
AleyF: calls $0.15
Pokbrainless: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [2d 2c Ac]
AleyF: checks
Pokbrainless: bets $0.40
Ferraristi85: folds
AleyF: raises $1.09 to $1.49
Pokbrainless: ?

Originally Posted by MasterOfDisaster

PokerStars Zoom Hand #84368357361: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2012/08/06 20:24:05 CET [2012/08/06 14:24:05 ET]
Table 'Eulalia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MonNnNie ($13.25 in chips)
Seat 2: AleyF ($14.48 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokbrainless ($9.49 in chips)
Seat 4: InspektorK ($6.36 in chips)
Seat 5: Ferraristi85 ($16.69 in chips)
Seat 6: Sunglade ($7.09 in chips)
AleyF: posts small blind $0.05
Pokbrainless: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pokbrainless [3h Ah 2s Qd]
InspektorK: folds
Ferraristi85: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Sunglade: folds
MonNnNie: folds
AleyF: calls $0.15
Pokbrainless: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [2d 2c Ac]
AleyF: checks
Pokbrainless: bets $0.40
Ferraristi85: folds
AleyF: raises $1.09 to $1.49
Pokbrainless: ?

I expect this to be a worse deuce the majority of the time, so based on your read, you could either flat or pot.

Totally no reads on the player was the 1st hand on a zoom table.

Think a flat would be the best option than,to keep a worse 2 in his range and if he is bluffing he has basically almost no equity (2-4 outs or even rarely 6 outs) Also think that most unknowns would 3bet almost all AAxx hands. And would a 3bet on the flop not only keep AAxx, A2xx (only 2 combo's) in villains range?

I did the worse thing in my opinion 3bet flop and stack off on the turn vs AAxx. I think I wouldn't get away from it anyways, but just want to know the optimal play.

Originally Posted by dj11

Somewhere (IIRC) a few hundred posts ago ITT, someone mentioned that at 6 max it would be approx 30/16 according to a poker pro.

No. thats not how it works.

for micros atleast, you want to be slightly tighter and a whole lot more aggressive.

Originally Posted by dj11

first hand, pot the flop.

2nd hand, pot the flop.

It is called Pot Limit........

You will find you get drawn out on a lot in PLO, and your best weapon is to pot it when you bet with anything less than the nuts. And even then you will get it in with the nuts, but the nuts will change....... the idea is to minimize the risk, and make the chaser pay...

DJ, If you pot everything your going to have a bad time.

Originally Posted by prepare

hey guys, two hands for you.



Cake - $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha (6 players)
Cake Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $1.77
BB: $3.34
UTG Hero: $3.90
MP: $0.41
CO: $3.93
BTN: $4.35

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) (2 players)
BB bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.16, BB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.58) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16

River: ($0.90) (2 players)
BB bets $0.90, Hero raises to $3.20, BB calls $2 (All-in)

Cake - $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha (6 players)
Cake Hand Converter Tool from CardsChat.com

SB: $2.82
BB: $4
UTG Hero: $6.67
MP: $2.93
CO: $4.01
BTN: $2.15

Pre-flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26) (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.26, BB raises to $0.65, Hero raises to $2.21, BB raises to $3.23 (All-in), Hero calls $1.67

Turn: ($7.37) (2 players)

River: ($7.37) (2 players)

Second hand is standard.

First hand, we bet more on the flop and hence the turn. However on the river, we absolutely cannot raise the river. We have the worst boat possible and unless we know villain to be loose, we are not going to be getting much value raising, IE he will show up with better Qxxx boat way more often than anything else.

Yesterday I won 8 buy-ins after reading baudib1's advice

You're probably better off playing 80% from the BTN and 10% from the blinds than 40% from the button and 20% from the blinds at this point

nice job.

Yeah, the button is basically a money-printing device in PLO. It is freaking awesome when you have a huge nit on your left so you can get extra buttons.

80% might be an exaggeration but not much of one.

25plo so far. Standard swing?

Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

25plo so far. Standard swing?

Yes, very standard.

Originally Posted by MasterOfDisaster

Totally no reads on the player was the 1st hand on a zoom table.

Think a flat would be the best option than,to keep a worse 2 in his range and if he is bluffing he has basically almost no equity (2-4 outs or even rarely 6 outs) Also think that most unknowns would 3bet almost all AAxx hands. And would a 3bet on the flop not only keep AAxx, A2xx (only 2 combo's) in villains range?

I did the worse thing in my opinion 3bet flop and stack off on the turn vs AAxx. I think I wouldn't get away from it anyways, but just want to know the optimal play.

With no reads, this is a flat on the flop.

belgo dont play plo, it'll destroy your soul like it did mine

Originally Posted by vanquish

belgo dont play plo, it'll destroy your soul like it did mine

What makes you think I have a soul?

Wait till Belgo learns about pivot cards.

Originally Posted by baudib1

Wait till Belgo learns about pivot cards.

I know what pivot cards are! I'm reading Hwang's books on the train to work, so i'm picking up quite a few PLO concepts.

Originally Posted by BelgoSuisse

What makes you think I have a soul?

only people with souls are going to become dads soon

Originally Posted by vanquish

only people with souls are going to become dads soon

i guess that would be a pretty valid point if I had a soul.

Posted new PLO hands in HA section:

http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-...-flush-212980/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-6-max-nut-flush-212980/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-...nd-nut-212979/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-6-max-2nd-nut-212979/)

http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-...op-set-212978/ (http://www.cardschat.com/f50/25-plo-6-max-top-set-212978/)

subbing, looking to learn about PLO so why not CC?

books to read etc would be great too.

inboxes are also welcome

Originally Posted by Campbell92

books to read etc would be great too.

Jeff Hwang has 4 books on PLO. Each one assumes that you have read the previous one, so they need to be read in that order:

Pot-Limit Omaha Poker: The Big Play Strategy
Advanced Pot-Limit Omaha: Small Ball and Short-Handed Play
Advanced Pot-Limit Omaha Volume II: LAG Play
Advanced Pot-Limit Omaha: The Short-Handed Workbook

First one applies to full ring deep games, so not so much value for online games, but it also builds the foundations for the rest, so it's important to read it too, imo.