When to fold aces preflop?

Do you think that it is ok to fold aces preflop in the early stages of a big low stakes MTT when all of the idiots are going all in with anything. I have had aces twice in this situation ,called and then got outdrawn by low cards. I normally try to stay out of the way of the idiots but aces are to appealing and i can't resist calling. What would you have done? Fold or call.

Never ever ever. Never. You get cracked, big deal. Buy in again. You win a multiway where you are the favorite ... you have a crushing lead on the table.

If there are 4 or more ahead of you allin your hand is no longer favorite FOLD. I might fold if 3 ahead are allin also. Little less tha even there

call

Interesting question.

Early in a tournament and several go all in? Oh yeah call.

Although, if you are close to the bubble in one of those tournaments where 1st through 9th (or whatever) all get the same prize (ie: Top 9 get a trip to WSOP) and you have a nice chip lead or one of the chip leaders, you may want to fold them and just let the short stacks battle it out or get eaten by the blinds.

Always call here. Fold if there is less than 50% to win? thats rediculous, you are quadrupling up if you do win the odds are always in your favor.

Like gtycoon said, the only time to fold AA is in a satellite in which you are in good enough shape to be able to coast in, then if another big stack is in the hand it makes sense to fold it.

Your hand is still a favourite against all of the others, you will have a higher percentage chance to win the hand than everyone else in the pot. Even if the entire table was all in ahead of you it would still be a really easy call.

The only time I would consider folding aces pre flop is when you're on the bubble of a satellite tournament and you can just fold your way to the prize.

you have no nuts and are a little school girl if u ever fold aces preflop.

Well against the advice of ^^^ those guys. I think that if it is a tourney that you cant just rebuy in (like the Million, instead of a simple SAG), I would think twice about it. I mean say you are in the BB and 5 people are already allin ahead of you. Lets say it is the first hand, so everyone has you covered. Sure you are the favorite, but the odds are that at least one of those 5 hands are going to beat you in the end. I am of the thought that I can wait and get my money in in a better spot. That is not to say that I recommend folding aces as a rule, but I can see where it would make sense to do it. I mean AA is far from bullet proof, I have PT stats showing tons of times that it lost to only one hand. Why risk your tourney life when each of the other 5 hands has a 25% chance to beat you. Sure 75% sounds great, the problem is if you lose with AA 1 out of 4 times and there are already 5 other people in the pot... It has nothing to do with having no nuts, it has to do with running a marathon instead of running a sprint...

The only time I have ever folded aces preflop was on the bubble of an mtt with 2 bigger stacks already all in before me, I folded and one of them made a set of kings.

I not only finished itm but made final table too

I LOL'd at this reply!

like it has been said it depends, i would say: if in rebuy yes, if on the bubble in multi pot probably fold and if early in the tournament and multi allins not sure about opponents fold ( eventhought it is very hard

I'll agree with most. Unless you are on the bubble, or playing a satellite, don't fold aces preflop even if there are 8 people all-in in front of you. I'm sure someone will soon give you the math to explain why this is still +EV.

If it is the first hand and there are 8 people allin in front of you, how could that possibly be +EV? Only one needs to suck out and you are eliminated. I forget what the exact stats of AA holding up are, but that has to be at least 50/50. Why put your tourney life on the line, instead of waiting to get your money in later on? I can see going for it if it is a SAG or a regular tourney that you can just buy into again in 20 minutes, but for any decent tourney (Million, WarmUp, ect), it would surely be -EV to take that risk.

I would call with a bunch of idiots playing if there is only one or two players in the hand, also if i got the person or persons covered in chips by a good bit. If there is 3 or more people in the hand all in or something i would fold it.

If Its not to expensive, you should definitly call.
aces are allways a hand that worth playing

I have probably lost more hands w Pkt As than any other!! I HATE Pocket aces!! BUT, will always go all in-but NOT pre-flop ALL of the time! I HAVE won by slow playing them more often-There-by giving the others something to think about-BUT, if I'm on the button and folded to, I WILL go all in!

AA wins against 8 random hands 30% of the time. So yes, you would get eliminated 70% of the time, but the other 30% of the time you win 8 stacks.
I can understand that people would not want to take the risk if they were in a big tourney that they don't play very often (like the Sunday million), but in just a regular tourney, I don't think you should ever fold aces preflop.

You have to take chances to win any tourney. You would have to get an exceptional run of cards to never be at risk, so you will have to go all-in at some point. When to go in is a matter of preference, but you'll surely want a position that is +EV.

In this situation (8 all-ins before you) you are risking your full stack (let's assume 1500) to win 13,500. Even if your hand is only 35% to hold up, that's still an expected value of 4725. So, it's definitely a +EV move to call. Of course, not everyone would make that call, preferring not to risk their tournament this early, but I would do it in a second.

Bullits or nails(for a coffin) take your pick. I have lost with AA. It happens

If you fold aces never show

LMAO Too damn funny, agreed never, EVER fold preflop!!!

On the bubble of a satellite where you might as well just sit out if you can make it through.

I'd still shove my stack with 4 all ins in front of me on the bubble of a MTT tho. Taking a chance to actually be able to give a top finish a shot is much better than winning back 2 times your buy in...course now that i write this i realise how stupid it is as it isn't like you would ever have lots of ppl going all in on the bubble of a tourn.

wtf, you never fold AA think about it.........best hand preflop...BEST HAND..............who wouldnt call with the best hand PREFLOP!!!

In my very humble opinion, I think that going all in with anything, be it AA or KK, pre-flop in the first 10-20 hands of a mtt is pretty much gambling.

If I look back (and this is just me) at all the times I have had those holy grail pre-flop pockets, calling to go all in before everyone has settled down, I have probably only won 30% of those hands.

For every person that is all in before you, you have that much less of a chance to win. WHY???

Because pretty much any flop to 4 or 5 sets of any pocket cards will kick your but because there are so many more cards on the table in play.

Poker is a game of skill where you play hands based on skill, experience, odds and mathematical equasions, and if you push with AA or KK pre-flop to so many all-inners, you wittle your odds away.

Ok, with all that ranting out of the way, ask me if I have ever folded AA or KK pre-flop, ever...

Are you nuts, do you know how hard that is?

-SNG dont fold aces PF

-MTT or MTSNG, dont fold aces. Even if you're one of the shortest stacks on the bubble, get your money in with AA. Since the bottom 20+, depending on the size of the tournament, gets paid the same amount, it wouldnt matter if you bust here or a few hands from now. But this is the perfect opportunity to double/triple up your stack and move up the ranks.

-Ring: You're dumb if you fold AA PF.

There are only two occasions where I'll fold AA PF.
-Its near the bubble of a satellite and I can easily fold my way into a win. Assuming all places paid are equal (Tournament entry) then it wouldnt matter what place I take as long as I just place. Now, if it was a satellite that paid, say top 3 + tourney entry, then I'd play aces to try and move up the ranks if I win a big pot as long as me losing with AA doesnt knock me out of tournament.

-If my pokergut tells me my opponent is going hit a set. Thats insta-fold.

i would never fold aces preflop. if you fold aces preflop what possible hand could you be waiting for to make that call?

I totally agree with odinscott's replies. Have, and will again, fold those rockets preflop in the right situation. OK, so I wear a skirt, and have no nuts - BUT - I have chips and a chair. Which one's more important?

Those who will NEVER fold an AA hand preflop play NoLimitLuckem, not poker, imo.

Sorry about the repeat post, but this quote wasn't there when I first replied. It's not about what hand qualifies for all-in preflop. It's about ANY hand being worthy of betting the farm in multi-way all-in pots.

All-in preflop in anything but HU is marginal at best. Play Holdem, not Luckem.

Consider - you've put up $25,000 CASH to be in a WPT event or $10,000 for the WSOP ME. It's the first hand and you have those rockets. Five ahead of you are all-in (unlikely at one of these events) and it's on you in the BB. You're all-in or all-out at 6:1. Still willing to 'gamble' ??

What makes $1 any different ?? Or are there special rules/decks for $1 games and high stake MTT's ??

It depends. In some cases, folding AA preflop would be more profitable depending on the situation and what is at stake.

BTW, assuming thats you in the avatar, has anyone ever told you you look like a mix of Kat Williams and Ludacris?

Why would anybody fold aces preflop????

We had a thread very similar to this a couple of months ago, I think.

I have no problem folding AA pre-flop in any of the following situations:

• in a satellite which pays out some number of the same prize, and I have enough chips that I think I can fold my way to at least the cash, if not the main prize.

• at any final table with an average number of chips and two people with similar stacks are already all-in. Unless they chop, one is either going to be out or cripped beyond hope, and I'll move up a payout spot.

• playing Omaha, there is a raise and a reraise ahead of me, and I have AA with little else to build a draw with.

Otherwise, I'm probably trying to find a way to get all of it in the middle.

I agree that there is some solid argument for folding AA in a MTT against multiple opponents, but I'm not sure I would do it. I think it would depend on the actual circumstances.

I also think it's far worse to bust out right before the money than it is to do so in the first round. Yes, both are terrible, but at least you didn't waste hours (or days) with no payoff.

I still would probably beat all of the other people into the pot, if I put down that much money to enter I wouldn't be playing scared because there is no way I'd win. You still have a better chance to win than all of the other players. Any time I can get my money in with the nuts I'm happy.

Umm, never? Yeah, thats right, never!

yes thats me in the avatar, i thought i heard it all but never a mix between kat williams and ludacris

i still think if you are playing poker and you look down at poket aces and not only has the person behind you raised, but gone all in, that has to be the position you want to be in. i cant think of any better position pre-flop