What to do, what to do???

#1 12th March 2010, 4:15 PM

So I had 99 and I'm the BB, everyone folds, the small B who is the chip leader raises me. So I'm thinking he's trying to bully me out. I call, then the flop is QQ6, he checks, I check. Then the turn is a 3, he checks I bet, he calls, then the river is another Q, now in my gut I know he doesn't have the fourth Q, so I bet and he re-raise me all in, I think he's got A high at best or even if he has a 3 or a 6 I got him beat, so I call. He's got pocket 10's. I'm out! Was I wrong to call???
Sometimes this game drives you crazy!

#2 12th March 2010, 4:51 PM

Not enough info. He was the chip leader, but if had a decent stack yourself, the correct move is to fold. First off, his preflop raise followed by a check, would actually have prompted me to think he hit trips, and was doing his tricky little trap routine.

In your gut, you didn't think he had the Q. My gut would tell me different, because that's exactly how I might play it, wait for you to bet. His gut told him you didn't have a Q either. And the 6 and 3 looked like very safe cards for him, as opposed to an A or K hitting the board.

#3 12th March 2010, 4:59 PM

Seems to be just a matter of who had the bigger pocket pair at showdown.

What would you be saying if you had pockets J's ?? What could he have said about his ... or your ... play ??

#4 13th March 2010, 6:38 PM

it was a wrong choice to call, because yeah, we don't know what was your stack but still you have to play carefully against one tough player ... I think that if you want to play some cards you should choose opponents against to play some cards..you could have won , if you have gone all-in on the flop after he checked,or maybe not...you'll never know

#5 13th March 2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicu00K

it was a wrong choice to call, because yeah, we don't know what was your stack but still you have to play carefully against one tough player ... I think that if you want to play some cards you should choose opponents against to play some cards..you could have won , if you have gone all-in on the flop after he checked,or maybe not...you'll never know

Not so sure I agree with this. If you push allin on the flop to me I dont put you on the Queen and I call with his pocket tens. I agree with Nevadanick just unlucky pair against overpair with that board. His range could of been huge with everyone folding to him as well as your range with the call. Dont beat yourself up most of the time I think you get your money in good with similar situations.

#6 13th March 2010, 11:58 PM

Those sorts of boards, with 3 of a kind in the middle, almost always boil down to boat over boat. Rarely, the A hi takes it. Even more rarely, one player has the quads and is soooo happy with all the action.

Personally, when I am the one with quads, I may let the others bet at it and, on the river, come in over them, if there are any parts of any stacks left. Sometimes I make a small, tentative looking bet. Sometimes I shove, because they don't expect me to have it.

If you have a PP, and therefore have a boat, the question is: Do you feel lucky?

This is the one time when I will fold a boat.

#7 16th March 2010, 8:13 AM

By playing this pocket pair against the chip leader, you were taking more risk than your opponent, then you'd better check-fold at the river.
He took you in his trap, and played very well (by waiting for you to be pot commited).
I know it's always hard to fold a PP but here was the good moment to improve your skill...

#8 22nd March 2010, 3:22 AM

Sound advice, thanks platiniumll. Will hold back next time, lesson learned!

#9 22nd March 2010, 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyAcey

So I had 99 and I'm the BB, everyone folds, the small B who is the chip leader raises me. So I'm thinking he's trying to bully me out. I call, then the flop is QQ6, he checks, I check. Then the turn is a 3, he checks I bet, he calls, then the river is another Q, now in my gut I know he doesn't have the fourth Q, so I bet and he re-raise me all in, I think he's got A high at best or even if he has a 3 or a 6 I got him beat, so I call. He's got pocket 10's. I'm out! Was I wrong to call???
Sometimes this game drives you crazy!

Always think ahead in the hand... ie. in this situation when you bet the river were you intending to call if he reraised you allin? If not.. then consider a check/call instead of leading out w bet.

#10 22nd March 2010, 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyAcey

So I had 99 and I'm the BB, everyone folds, the small B who is the chip leader raises me. So I'm thinking he's trying to bully me out. I call, then the flop is QQ6, he checks, I check. Then the turn is a 3, he checks I bet, he calls, then the river is another Q, now in my gut I know he doesn't have the fourth Q, so I bet and he re-raise me all in, I think he's got A high at best or even if he has a 3 or a 6 I got him beat, so I call. He's got pocket 10's. I'm out! Was I wrong to call???
Sometimes this game drives you crazy!

I would rarely take pocket 9's after the flop unless I hit trips. He was the big stack, does he really need your big blind? He raised for a reason and that reason was pocket 10's. The check, check is because he was scared of the queens. Take time to think about how the hand progressed instead of just looking at the check check he did.

#11 22nd March 2010, 10:14 PM

I would have taken a shot at it on the flop. A bet of 1/2-2/3 of the pot might have taken it down. Need to know stack sizes, how far in the tourney you were, how tight/aggressive the guy has been.

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