VERY SERIOUSLY QUESTION require only SERIOUS REAL ANSWERS

OK people.....

I would like to sue an online poker place.....

1) They are not listed in the US

2) They have no phone number you can call unless it's regarding deposit,then they have an 1-800 you can call!

3) No where on their website can i find ANY address unless it's an email

4) Their support claims to be 24/7......but i haven't heard from them in 2 months

5) Im not no BIG NAME poker player.....can't afford a BIG TIME lawyer.....I asked my small time lawyer friend.....he just tells me to kiss my money goodbye.

Does this sound like you?? or VERY similar??

PLEASE no responses like

1) WTF
2) oh that sux
3) which place is this?
4) oh ur so fxxkxx

thank you

It will take a lot on your part to do it. First off you need to find out where they are based. Then you need to find out who the CEO's are. You might be able to go after the CEO's in their homelands if different than the site's registry. You will need to hire a lawyer from that area. After that it is up to the lawyer to take your case forward.

Basically what your lawyer friend said is true. Unless you are looking at big bucks it will not be worth the time or effort. You would be better off mounting a smear campaign against them at all poker forums. Time consuming, but free.

so what is your actual question

I think this-

Does this sound like you?? or VERY similar??

My answer is no.

oh okay mine is no too then.

oh and it's pretty obvious that the site is FT seeing as you've complained about them in 75% of your posts. if you want any sympathy here you will have to be a little more forthcoming with information than you have been in the dozen or so posts in which you've complained about them thus far. pasting e-mails, giving your screenname on FT and how you deposited and intended to withdraw would be a start.

You will never be successful with this -let it go.

I would be more worried about them taking your personal information and doing something really bad with it. The money......let it go. If you have credit card information or bank account numbers I would seriously consider getting them changed, yeah it's a pain but will be minor if someone decides to steal your ID.

This doesnt even sound like a good idea to me. I`m not sure what the question even was though.

not sure what you are asking, but to take on a large poker site ( who has a small army of lawyers on hand) is pointless to get back the 50$ that you lost from suck outs. IMO i think its all rigged

moved this to Poker Rooms as it has nothing to do with Cardschat.

What exactly are your actual damages?

Oh ur so fxxkxx.

Thanks for telling us how we can or can not respond to your post.

My suggestion is if youre not a "Big Name Poker Player" then it would probably cost you more to pursue this than you have invested already. Look for different avenue other than this law suit.

1) WTF
2) oh that sux
3) which place is this?
4) oh ur so fxxkxx

VERY SERIOUSLY
All of the avove applies in this instance, imo.

Hate to say it but I agree with the rest... really too much investment (time and money) for too little payout... sounds like a lot of the tourneys I have played in... LOL

Anyway, what exactly are the issues you are having that would make you want to take on apoker site in the first place? you are very vague about the reasons and that makes a big difference... not that I think ANYONE could win agasint them but still it might be an issue...

You're asking for legal advise without really saying what the problem is.
I know a few sites have increased minimum till they'll pay out.
Next time you ask for help don't be so vague.

+1 and serious too. (sorry for spamming)

To the op: Either you are on ultratilt or got pummeled by some site.

We can't seriously comment on things we do not know anything about.

We need more info.

Much of what has been said before is true:

-sueing someone in a foreign country is extremely expensive

and probaly highly -EV.

Giving more details could enable us to give you some help - so do it.

I'm guessing that this thread isn't going quite the way that the OP envisioned it when he sat down and demanded "only SERIOUS REAL ANSWERS."

(This is the internet, after all, and the internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS!)

Here's a serious answer:

The people who were cheated in the Absolute/Ultimatebet scandal lost HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, and so far they haven't gotten it back, despite the worldwide attention they have gotten and the fact that they are rich and can afford any attorneys that they want.

But you think you're going to sue an offshore gambling entity and win??


Ha ha. Hahaaahaaa! HAAHAAAHAAAA!!! BWAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^^^This, very well put puppy.

Actually I'm pretty sure all those who lost money to the superusers at Ultimatebet/Absolute Poker have been reimbursed.

Have they, because I haven't heard that?

If so.....shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

No they haven't. I think Absolute Poker reimbursed all the players from the one famous Potripper tournament, but those guys had scammed hundreds of thousands of dollars from many games over many months.

That could be the longest sentence I have ever read in my entire life. My head hurts.

If it's a VERY SERIOUSLY QUESTION, shouldn't it require a VERY SERIOUSLY ANSWER

Yeah, I've been looking around online and I can't find anything saying that anyone has been reimbursed for all those games, but if I do find it I'll post a link.

According to their press release from 12/2/08 they have:

The Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) has responded to CBS 60 Minute's report on the cheating scandals at Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker.
This is the entire statement from the KGC:
The Kahnawá:ke Gaming Commission ("KGC") and its agents, having viewed the CBS News item entitled "The Cheaters", extends the following clarification and information which, although provided to the show's producers, had been left out of the storyline.

1. The Ultimate Bet ("Ultimatebet") cheating was initiated while Ultimatebet was owned and operated by Excapsa (a public company whose Board of Directors included several high-profile Canadians). Pursant to a settlement agreement finalized in November, 2008, Excapsa agreed to pay Tokwiro ENRG US $15,000,000. [Author's Note: Among the 224 Excapsa shareholders, many of whom were identified during the firm's liquidation proceedings, were David Peterson and Norman Inkster. Peterson is the former Liberal Party Premier of Canada's Ontario province who at one time served as Excapsa's non-executive chairman, and Inkster was a former chairman of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Both held public roles with Excapsa and were identified with the company prior to its sale to Tokwiro ENRG in 2006.]

2. All players that were adversely affected by cheating (both Absolute Poker and Ultimatebet) were fully reimbursed. In the case of Ultimatebet, these refunds amounted to over US $20,000,000. The reimbursement of Ultimatebet players was affected within days after the Excapsa settlement. The KGC played a key role in facilitating and monitoring reimbursements.

3. The KGC and its agents have reviewed Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet operations and systems and have confirmed that all necessary steps have been implemented to prevent against cheating in future. Migration to the CEREUS software platform was approved and closely monitored by KGC.

4. Contrary to claims made in the 60 Minutes story, in addition to significant penalties levied under its Regulations (eg. fines totaling US $2,000,000), the KGC has initiated a criminal complaint against at least one cheater (Russ Hamilton) and is cooperating with law enforcement authorities. Other such complaints may follow.

Suing anyone outside of the United States is extremely difficult unless you are from there. You will likely never win making the high expense of suing them not worth it. Other nations aren't held to the same standards as companies are held in side the US. So you have no idea what their laws on torts or law suits are. I would just let it go.

yeah but according to their previous press releases there was no problem to start with (twice), it was they who discovered the problem in the first place (lol no), and it was a disgruntled former employee who was behind it (lol russ).

so forgive me if i'm inclined to not believe them.

So are you saying poker sites are rigged.

And I mentioned nothing about Ultimate Bet. My point was that Absolute Poker never paid back all the money that was cheated. They couldn't!

If you have read the story, when the scammers saw that the gig was up, they went on Absolute Poker and purposely lost hundreds of thousands of dollars to try to cover up their actions. So the money was not there to pay all the people back who had been scammed over so much time.

Nay, in fact Absolute Poker paid back a little money, did an internal investigation, said they had corrected the problem, and that was that. They still to this day refuse to say exactly what was stolen, what was paid back, or even the identity of the thief. I really want to point this out not to argue, but because this is not the first thread where I have read that Absolute Poker came clean on this scandal - they didn't!

Did you hear the rumour that Citibank may be gone by June this year?

lots of dumb replies.....i guess serious doesnt mean anything.....

but yea...for someone that's on top of his game....it's FT

im just wondering......they're made up of all those pro poker players....

how in the world would u go sueing them??

anywhere u look on their site, u can't find out any ACTUALL address unless it's e-mail

there's no phone number to reach except a (if u have problems depositing) number....and even if u reach that...they wont answer any other questions

so HOW DO YOU SUE THEM????

just curious....don't think i'll have the budget to do that....but HOW??

here's kinda the circumstance:

3 roommates....using FT

1 left an skip town about 1 month ago

2 other roommates kept playing on FT for about 2 more months
the 2 roommates have never withdraw...always making deposits....

coming towards Christmas, roommate A needs money
roommate B owes A money

roommate B then transfers $800 to A's account
then roommate A tried to do a withdraw for the FIRST time (cause they kinda suck and never has withddrawn)

2 days later, both their accounts are closed
both roommate A and B writes to FT

they get response saying under investigation
they read more into FT rules.....and they think it might be about how many people under the same household......

they write back to FT cause after 1 week there's no reply
A get no response
B gets a response saying if he can't wait they can send him the money

keep in mind, A is withdrawing $800
B has $2.15 or so left

Ft response to B is simply it takes time, if u can't wait, we'll just send u the money left in the account

in the meantime.....A, after about 15 e-mails....get NO RESPONSE....ABSOLUTELY NONE

A has deposited over $2,000.....but can't get a response cause he's trying to withdraw the $800 left in the account

SO ANYONE HAS SUGGESTION????

and to DM.....very sharp!
it was about 3-4 posting i think out of about 20-25???
so not 85%..........
but....that was GOOD....really!.....maybe except for ur first reponse which was ; so what was ur question??

Firstly, titling your post VERY SERIOUSLY QUESTION is like inviting a few funny replies, and I'm sure all of the above posts were Very Seriously well thought out.
As far as how to sue them, they must have a case to answer, it's not just that you want to sue them and ( ka ching) you can sue them, See a solicitor, tell them the exact truth, they might check things out and tell you "yes we can sue them, and while were investigating its going to cost you BIG Dollars", but more than likely they will Very Seriously tell you to forget about it and still charge you for their time, Very Seriously.

Poker companies that operate in the US market need to have an extremely complex set-up, due to the complex anti-gambling laws there, and this was demonstrated when one of their pros tried to take legal action against them recently:More importantly, as Nick has pointed out, you would need a good case against them. My guess would be that Full Tilt suspect some wrong-doing by members of your household, either by one of you or by the person that previously did a runner. Make sure that you tell your lawyer the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! If for example it came out in court that you two (or three) had been colluding in games, and you hadn't told your lawyer about it beforehand, you would be laughed out of court and would have lost thousands of dollars in legal fees in the process.

My advice would be to wait and see what Full Tilt come back with.

the 2 of us are rookies at poker.....we dont even know the meaning of colluding in a game means until we look it up

like i said, this is the FIRST time we made a withdraw
so does it even sound like we're doing any kinda cheating?

but the WORSE thing is FT just wont respond to A
but replies to B within 2 days....

A just keeps asking"what happened to my withdraw request?"
...................silence............for almost 3 months

B keeps asking and telling the respond e-mail that A is writing but can't get a response.and heres a couple of their response:
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1)Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

Please be advised that for privacy and security reasons we cannot disclose information related to other player's account.

The account holder needs to contact us from the email address registered on the account with the issues to resolve.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us. We're always here to help.
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2) another one


You may ask your room-mate to contact us from the email address registered to his Full Tilt Poker account, and we will be able to answer any queries raised by him in relation to the withdrawal of funds.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
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Yes...A did use his own e-mail address registered to the account.
...........they just won't reply.........so now what?

wait until the next Christmas to see if they'll reply??

Here is a site that you might appeal to for some sort of mediation.