Very Disappointed in the Quality of play at the freerolls

#36 24-04-2005, 8:11 PM

I agree with rammer, if you play well you'll stick with you're chips but those early chip leaders, they won't.

#37 26-04-2005, 1:53 AM

some of the players out there are retarded.I was in a free roll the other day and six people stayed in to see the flop K-K-7 rainbow,somebody makes a small bet ,two guys call and the next guy raises 200 ,i fold and another guy goes all in ,naturally the guy that raised calls and everybody else folds.Now this is the funny part the guy that raised first had 8-8 and the guy that went all in Had Q-8 offsuit .couldnt believe it,some people just have no idea what they are doing

#38 26-04-2005, 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by raptorsfan

Sorry bout this guys and gals...but I need to vent. The quality of play at the Poker Stars freerolls is just horrible. I am not mad because I lost, because it is cards and that happens...what I am mad about is people playing hands like 7 - 2 offsuit before the flop and calling bets of 3, 4 ,5 hundred chips from first, second, third position...And then beating a really respectable hand like a mid to high pocket pair or a 20 suited or something like that. Players like that really take away from the skill and the fun of the game because they will bet anything and end up beating out a very good player with garbage that shouldn't even warrant the call of a small $$$ big blind. I know I may sound whiny, I didn't get beat out by one of these hands, but I did lose a considerable amount of chips to hands like this. Some of the players at the table who I have played with before, and I know are very decent players did get beat out by garbage like that though. What I am trying to say is that if you don't know how to play poker or are just out to try to screw around the game...stay home and learn. Let the people who want to play for real play there game. Poker is more a game of skill than a game of who can get luckiest first. If ya wanna play like that come down to my place and play in our $100 buy in games at my place on sundays and get a lesson.

Sorry about the vent, have a good day

rapstor,
iam mongani7, i hal to tell you I AM ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS, howevr i only squeak in on the flop if you let me and it happens a'lot i am usualy very high in chip stak in the first three rounds i do quite well with my style of play and i piss people off!i don't care what they say whene i play a tourny that i pay 200 and 15 to the house i play the same way and yes i make it to the money and yes i have made it to th final table on diffrent tournies i only play those cards early in a tournamet then i play a compleatly diffrent style later . so if i'm in a tourny and beat you in a hand with a crappy hand it is because you let me in cheap the way i see it it cost me 15 to win 1500 you see??

#39 26-04-2005, 4:08 AM

Mogani,

lol yes I call you forest gump the card chaser.. "run forest run!" or a fisherman.. fishing for cards.. Like it was previously said "Play tight". I try to get as far as watching half the field eliminated. I know then I may not be safe to a forest gump but the percentages are much more smaller by then of actually betting and plaing against one.

#40 26-04-2005, 5:03 PM

I think you need to enter any freeroll fully knowing what kind of morons you're up against. I take any game that I'm playing seriously, however, it's only natural that most people will take chances with play money that they wouldn't dream of if it's their own cash. Remember, if you bust out of a freeroll, you can always reload your play chips and register for the next freeroll in an hour or so.

My advice, play INCREDIBLY tight for the first hour or so - the morons generally weed themselves out by then. Then play your game, cuz then only the (semi) serious remain. After all, it is a freeroll!!!

#41 26-04-2005, 11:22 PM

In freerolls I try specifically to see as many flops as possible. I try not to ever go allin. I see the flop as cheap as possible. If I see things are looking up for me I bet high but modest. Aggressive but not enough to damage my stack. In the beginning I try to build my stack SLOWLY! And at all costs avoid the reckless encounters. Wait till an alliner is knocked out or has called before you so you can avoid his allin raise. Fold any hand that is not top notch if you decide you want to call.

The name of the game for me is survival. To prove my case I watched a $1.00 buyin tourney (which is still pretty loose). Someone made it to the final table with $3,000 stack. Everyone else had $60k+ and chip leader was grossly ahead with $150k. The guy waited... even folded some pocket Queens. He played his position and the players. Not the cards. He waited and waited. In the end... He came back and won. I was stunned. He avoided any chance of him losing at all costs.

#42 25-05-2005, 3:17 AM

you all make some really good points. i agree that some times players call with crap. i also agree with mongani7 some times people let them in cheap. but when you go all in with the top three a/a k/k q/q i must say that i have suffered bad beats mostly by some one calling with ace low kick. i would say that most of the time i ended up winning the hand. i dont know if i would say free roles bring in a gross number of bad players i think they bring in a gross number of players that dont care. often they will say that hey it did not cost me any thing to get in so what the f. that is when i remind them that a trny you play for what you can win not for what it cost you to enter uasally that reminds them that oh crap i can win money if i play decent. i think most of the time when i have seen all in callers with 2/7 off or even suited or some other crap hand they usally lose. if they beat me well hey every hand is a winner and every hand is a well you know the rest. you all take care and good luck

#43 25-05-2005, 3:30 AM

I normally just watch the hands go by for the first 30 minutes unless they are of the top five, unless I can get in cheap. Normally after the first six hands or so you will see who is playing to stay and who is just bored. They really should be called Bluffrolls.

#44 25-05-2005, 5:37 AM

When things are free you have to expect that. You get what you pay for!!!

#45 25-05-2005, 6:33 PM

You will get them in every tournement. You have to watch the cards they have played and feel them out.

#46 26-05-2005, 8:03 AM

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Originally Posted by raptorsfan

Sorry bout this guys and gals...but I need to vent. The quality of play at the Poker Stars freerolls is just horrible. I am not mad because I lost, because it is cards and that happens...what I am mad about is people playing hands like 7 - 2 offsuit before the flop and calling bets of 3, 4 ,5 hundred chips from first, second, third position...And then beating a really respectable hand like a mid to high pocket pair or a 20 suited or something like that. Players like that really take away from the skill and the fun of the game because they will bet anything and end up beating out a very good player with garbage that shouldn't even warrant the call of a small $$$ big blind. I know I may sound whiny, I didn't get beat out by one of these hands, but I did lose a considerable amount of chips to hands like this. Some of the players at the table who I have played with before, and I know are very decent players did get beat out by garbage like that though. What I am trying to say is that if you don't know how to play poker or are just out to try to screw around the game...stay home and learn. Let the people who want to play for real play there game. Poker is more a game of skill than a game of who can get luckiest first. If ya wanna play like that come down to my place and play in our $100 buy in games at my place on sundays and get a lesson.

Sorry about the vent, have a good day

if u would have won those hand and took their money would u still be upset.tthere r some people that believe playing too tight is bad .i still rather loose with an aa or kk to a 45 suit than complain .thats poker

#47 26-05-2005, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raptorsfan

Sorry bout this guys and gals...but I need to vent. The quality of play at the Poker Stars freerolls is just horrible. I am not mad because I lost, because it is cards and that happens...what I am mad about is people playing hands like 7 - 2 offsuit before the flop and calling bets of 3, 4 ,5 hundred chips from first, second, third position...And then beating a really respectable hand like a mid to high pocket pair or a 20 suited or something like that. Players like that really take away from the skill and the fun of the game because they will bet anything and end up beating out a very good player with garbage that shouldn't even warrant the call of a small $$$ big blind. I know I may sound whiny, I didn't get beat out by one of these hands, but I did lose a considerable amount of chips to hands like this. Some of the players at the table who I have played with before, and I know are very decent players did get beat out by garbage like that though. What I am trying to say is that if you don't know how to play poker or are just out to try to screw around the game...stay home and learn. Let the people who want to play for real play there game. Poker is more a game of skill than a game of who can get luckiest first. If ya wanna play like that come down to my place and play in our $100 buy in games at my place on sundays and get a lesson.

Sorry about the vent, have a good day

Even on high skill games - you get bad beats. But freerolls aren't that hard to crack once you get the idea about how far into the game you are. You need to get a feel for when bluffing works (hint: first 10 hands all the morons are still around). If you don't bet at all, you will get to the half way mark when people are usually wiser and more bluffable.

#48 26-05-2005, 11:55 PM

i feel the same way about poker star players >not all of them< the ones that play crap and catch cards with nothing>so dont feel bad we all experiance it>>>.buckster436

#49 27-05-2005, 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisjej

Even on high skill games - you get bad beats. But freerolls aren't that hard to crack once you get the idea about how far into the game you are. You need to get a feel for when bluffing works (hint: first 10 hands all the morons are still around). If you don't bet at all, you will get to the half way mark when people are usually wiser and more bluffable.

I agree with what someone said before. If you wait it out, you're gonna be shortstacked when the weaker players are weeded out. It' all you can do but. Those players absolutely run the game. I only pay freerolls when my account is drained.

#50 28-05-2005, 8:25 AM

patience is the only key i know to winning some tourne-s try and ride the out as best u can. control the betting is the key to all bluffs and power poker.

#51 28-05-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by python3

I agree with what someone said before. If you wait it out, you're gonna be shortstacked when the weaker players are weeded out. It' all you can do but. Those players absolutely run the game. I only pay freerolls when my account is drained.

Yes but...

I think one of the big mistakes newbies make is to play too quick early on. I see plenty of players get lucky early on with the all-ins only to go out 10 hands later cos they don't know when to stop. A big stack gives you a lot of bullying potential and a much greater ability to steal from the poor but... you still need skill to do that.

When half the players are gone, you only need to have doubled your chipstack to be ahead of the field. That's just one head to head all-in. You can play real tight and still make the money - especially given the number of table moves that happen in a lot of tournaments. Other players may not see how tight you're playing so you can maximise benefit from those pocket Kings.

#52 28-05-2005, 5:51 PM

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Originally Posted by xdmanx007

It is not just pokerstars but it does seem a little worse there, the reason why it is much more a game of chance is because people don't have anything invested so they "gamble" or some just try to win with a BS hand to get a laugh, they usually get a laugh or 2 before they bust out. When the game is FREE there will always be people screwing up the game. My advice is put some money on the table and try your skills, the game is MUCH better when people actually have some real dough on the line. ALSO you don't have all the youngins who can't play for real screwing up the freerolls. Having said that I can put up with the idiots to have a chance to win some scratch with nothing invested.

I feel the exact same way. I've seen people in play money rooms who say they are trying to learn the game better before they play the real money....there is no way! Play money and real money tables are two totally different worlds....when you are playing for nuttin' you may be more apt to call, knowing you can replenish your play chips if you lose........unfortunately, many of these same people flow over to the freeroll tourneys as well. I have been beat by such circumstances as well, and it does tend to piss one off! lol

#53 28-05-2005, 5:57 PM

I see your point raptor. People just don't care because they haven't put any money into it. If it was a more serious tournament where they paid $100 for example, none of them idiots would be playing such a high risk game of poker, blowing everything on the first hand

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