Ultimate Bet - Would you trust them ?

#1 21st December 2008, 12:34 AM

Stage #XXXXXXX: Holdem (1 on 1) Normal $200/$400 - 2008-12-20 04:15:23 (ET)
Table: FIR AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - PHILHELLMUTH ($4495 in chips)
Seat 6 - DOUBLEBALLER ($7494 in chips)
PHILHELLMUTH - Posts small blind $100
DOUBLEBALLER - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $300 to $400
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $400 to $600
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $400 to $800
DOUBLEBALLER - Calls $200
*** FLOP ***
DOUBLEBALLER - Checks
PHILHELLMUTH - Bets $200
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $400 to $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $200
*** TURN ***
DOUBLEBALLER - Bets $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $800 to $800
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $800 to $1200
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $400
*** RIVER ***
DOUBLEBALLER - Bets $400
PHILHELLMUTH - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEBALLER - Shows (Three of a kind, kings)
PHILHELLMUTH - Mucks
PHILHELLMUTH Collects $5599 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($5600) | Rake ($1)
Board
Seat 4: PHILHELLMUTH (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($5599) HI: ($5599) [Mucked] [2s 10s]
Seat 6: DOUBLEBALLER (big blind) HI:lost with Three of a kind, kings [Kd Qh - B:Kh,P:Kd,B:Kc,P:Qh,B:Js]

See if you can spot the glaring error here...

And this happened in a hand where their own biggest sponsored player is involved and is being railed by lots of people.

If this can happen to his table, what the hell can happen to everyone elses..

Methinks UB should quit now before they bring the whole system down under a weight of allegations of corruption

#2 21st December 2008, 12:49 AM

Clever Cross Reference for Full Picture

also where did you get that HH from? since how can you see Hellmuth's mucked cards, i read something about him having 10,2 on 2+2 but i assumed that was a joke

#3 21st December 2008, 12:57 AM

That's very interesting.
Very odd. That really happened?
I definitely wouldn't trust them if I was the guy who lost, but I'd need more proof to say I personally didn't trust them.

#4 21st December 2008, 1:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiceNisus

That's very interesting.
Very odd. That really happened?
I definitely wouldn't trust them if I was the guy who lost, but I'd need more proof to say I personally didn't trust them.

???
for op's sake, this is 100% legit, you can get the HH yourself, its on the 2+2 thread somewhere

Also how can you need more proof?

1. potripper hacks into their software and steals like birrions of monies
2. Hellmuth goes on a big winning streak at UB and brags all about it
3. Software supposedly glitches and pushes a lot pot PH's way
4. PH acts like it never happened and the other guy won pot
5. Their HH is ugly as
6. PH is their main man

ye i need more proof that the site sucks

#5 21st December 2008, 1:21 AM

im not a big fan of ub or ap, but im not prepared to say there is something still going on there. need more proof preferably from people who know whats going on and are willing to speak of it. i know thats probably unrealistic, but i do think thats the best way to prove whats going on. from the inside out. small side note. pretty cool how the software knew what i was abbreviating. i typed only initials for the two poker sites and it spelled it out. fascinating as a certain vulcan might say.

#6 21st December 2008, 1:37 AM

If in fact this is true, I'll be saying goodbye and withdrawing my BR. I've had it with UB and their new software, and the months of bull.

Need some more proof, kind of strange that there is more cheating going on when they are already under a microscope.

Kinda wished I listened to DM

#7 21st December 2008, 1:44 AM

request this HH# 1162170993 to see the HH yourself

also its beyond unlikely that this is a bug or glitch, since the algorithm or code they use for identifying hands/ranking of hands/who pots gets shipped to has been the same for years, and noone has seen it do this before, so there must have been some tampering from the inside, the code must have been changed or something.

Or of course, there could have been a change to the matrix, anyone have an deja vu?

#8 21st December 2008, 1:58 AM

The outcome of the hand is not only wrong, but so is the betting totals...

PHILHELLMUTH - Posts small blind $100
DOUBLEBALLER - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $300 to $400
DOUBLEBALLER - Raises $400 to $600
PHILHELLMUTH - Raises $400 to $800
DOUBLEBALLER - Calls $200

Hellmuth raising $300 to make it $400 is correct.... but if Double raised another $400, then it would make it $800, and not $600 as it has listed. then if Phil raised it another $400, then that would make the grand total of $1200 - pre-flop.. the following turn and river have the same problem.

EDIT: Nevermind... I guess they mean "raise" as in $400 more then what they already have in the pot. Scratch that.

#9 21st December 2008, 2:07 AM

...............

Quote:

Originally Posted by D'wilius

I deposited there this week.

#10 21st December 2008, 2:08 AM

hahaha, ultimate bet is a joke. please everybody stop playing there. your money is not safe

#11 21st December 2008, 2:25 AM

sigh i don't know if its real or not anymore, since the thread on 2+2 was made by someone with <100 posts and the first few people saying do this do that all had <100 posts, the person claiming to be the guy in hand had <100 posts, so a few people beleive they were trying to get tableratings.com some attention.

But since a reputable poster has emailed UB and they have commented on the hand saying it was a glitch, so i unno who to beleive or what. Someone with ub on their computer should email them/request HH imo

#12 21st December 2008, 2:25 AM

Like my money is safe on other sites. If so then why does it keep disappearing from my br ???

#13 21st December 2008, 2:26 AM

i win my money off of freerolls than i usually trade funds with my friend who like UB
He sends me PS than i transfer UB

#14 21st December 2008, 3:06 AM

seriously why would anyone play on ub?

from my limited (5 minutes) researching this it appears to be a legitimate hand and ub is saying it's a glitch. of course this just happens to occur in a hand PH is playing, i'm sure it's purely coincidence.

#15 21st December 2008, 3:18 AM

Ultimate's own blog on the glitch: http://blog.ultimatebet.com/

Definitely a legit hand on a not-so-legit site.

#16 21st December 2008, 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Ultimate's own blog on the glitch: http://blog.ultimatebet.com/

Definitely a legit hand on a not-so-legit site.

Lol @ the comments on that blog post.

UB is toast.

#17 21st December 2008, 3:41 AM

Based on UB's own blog and the fact that they say it is a glitch, I've just withdrawn every penny from my account there. Before the mad rush.

How is it a glitch that has only apparently happened when Phil Hellmuth was in the hand? Give me a break. TOAST

#18 21st December 2008, 3:52 AM

I made a large withdrawal myself - but did leave a little bit in to play CC games and see if I can win some more to withdraw.

#19 21st December 2008, 4:10 AM

Saturday, December 20, 2008 - COO

Earlier today we learned about a poker hand where our system paid out the losing player instead of the correct winning hand. The hand number is #1162170993.
We are investigating this software malfunction as our absolute top priority.
This is the first incident of this kind we have encountered.
We are currently examining the poker system and the application logs in order to pinpoint the cause of this malfunction.
Paul Leggett

#20 21st December 2008, 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefer77

Saturday, December 20, 2008 - COO

Earlier today we learned about a poker hand where our system paid out the losing player instead of the correct winning hand. The hand number is #1162170993.
We are investigating this software malfunction as our absolute top priority.
This is the first incident of this kind we have encountered.
We are currently examining the poker system and the application logs in order to pinpoint the cause of this malfunction.
Paul Leggett

So....i need to go to pokerstars/fulltilt*im starting to like* and carbon from now on ? *not trying to get scammed on *

#21 21st December 2008, 4:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eNTy

Like my money is safe on other sites. If so then why does it keep disappearing from my br ???

Ha, I was wondering the same thing.

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#22 21st December 2008, 4:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Flushee

He sends me PS than i transfer UB

UB lets you transfer your freeroll winnings? That's half the reason I deposited.

#23 21st December 2008, 6:04 AM

If this turns out to be true.......i will be gone from UB

#24 21st December 2008, 6:13 AM

Can't say I have ever heard of a site paying off the losing hand

Granted their old HH's really sucked - but, that new HH is kinda funky also. What is that weird stuff at the bottom

I will still play there..so what...I can read a hand, if they pay the worst I will get my money back

They are so sad its funny...Never got off on the right foot from the beginning with poor customer service. But they have some good games that serve a purpose. And any site that will send me a little money after I havent played there in a while can not be all bad

#25 21st December 2008, 6:22 AM

I could become a brazzillionaire by playing there if they are going to pay the worst hand.

#26 21st December 2008, 1:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSticker

Lol @ the comments on that blog post.

UB is toast.

Nah, after the superuser thing didn't kill them they could probably put a big popup message every time someone opens their client saying "WE ARE FRAUDS" or something and people would still play there en masse.

#27 21st December 2008, 3:07 PM

I was playing there a few months ago.Too many complains and software problems so I moved elsewhere.

#28 21st December 2008, 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igotitdontdoit

i watched a program on tv about the whole cheating scandel on tv they said the one who was takin all that money was the 1997 wsop champion

Stu Ungar was the one cheating? Wow, now that turns the whole UB/AP scandal into some sort of...superuser/supernatural thing. Heh, next it'll be aliens obv

what was the program?

#29 21st December 2008, 4:16 PM

WOW. Not overly shocked though.

#30 21st December 2008, 4:35 PM

the strange thing is that this is an isolated incident and hasn't happen before for its so unlikely for it to be a glitch that happened to occur to their main player on 1 of their biggest tables as that player was bragging about not losing like ever. I very very much doubt PH has anything to do with it, since what would he gain from doing so, also its strange for someone to do it on a table full of railers. It most likely must have been some sort of stunt done by someone on the inside as a joke or to prove a point or something

#31 21st December 2008, 4:39 PM

I've been involved in security for software at times and you know, no matter how much you check and recheck, how many tests you run, there's nothing 100% correct all the time.

A lot of weird things could have happened, the guy involved said he had kept getting knocked off, it's possible that he did get knocked off again, just as he had turned over the cards so that when the program went to pay him, it saw him as sitting out and paid the other person instead.

I have no problems with trust on the Cereus network, if I felt there was any problem I wouldn't play there.

#32 21st December 2008, 4:44 PM

They declined my withdrawal request stating I had not made a successful deposit. Which is not true - I deposited $100 there when I opened my account. So I made another $50 deposit which I will have proof of and will make another withdrawal request in 48 hours.

#33 21st December 2008, 4:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDTed

I've been involved in security for software at times and you know, no matter how much you check and recheck, how many tests you run, there's nothing 100% correct all the time.

A lot of weird things could have happened, the guy involved said he had kept getting knocked off, it's possible that he did get knocked off again, just as he had turned over the cards so that when the program went to pay him, it saw him as sitting out and paid the other person instead.

I have no problems with trust on the Cereus network, if I felt there was any problem I wouldn't play there.

Without going checking properly, dosnt all limit holdem games have disconnection protection ?

#34 21st December 2008, 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDTed

I've been involved in security for software at times and you know, no matter how much you check and recheck, how many tests you run, there's nothing 100% correct all the time.

A lot of weird things could have happened, the guy involved said he had kept getting knocked off, it's possible that he did get knocked off again, just as he had turned over the cards so that when the program went to pay him, it saw him as sitting out and paid the other person instead.

I have no problems with trust on the Cereus network, if I felt there was any problem I wouldn't play there.

Do you not think it's a quite remarkable coincidence that the only reported instance of this happening is in a hand involving PH?

#35 31st March 2009, 1:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorkus Malorkus

Do you not think it's a quite remarkable coincidence that the only reported instance of this happening is in a hand involving PH?

No, I don't. It's probably happened before to someone playing at the $.01 tables too, just everything involving PH is magified, like his ego.

Don't get me wrong now, I hate Cereus. I liked the old UB, loved the software and the way you could view tables. I haven't had a good tournament since it's changed over, or a good table session either.

I don't think they have "doomswitched" me though. I'm only paranoid about the government since I'm part of it.

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