Is Ultimate Bet the Ultimate Cheat?

I started playing at Full Tilt and love it....the hands look like they would at your casino or at home or on TV!..I got fed up with the goofy hands that come up constantly @ Ultimatebet. I see this there all the time..Final two players of a big tourney...the first one with the smaller stack flops two pair and goes all in...then the other player calls with squaduche mystery calls and sucks out a bigger two pair on the turn and river..odds of that are astronomical...it's the site for one outers and the ultimate losers!
Anyways I entered a 200 player $2 SNG this morning at Full Tilt and placed 2nd for $61....no crazy stuff there, just the normal bad beat stuff...seemed so real and the final table graphics are a total trip.
So now that I'm excited again about poker because Ultimatebet was dragg'n me down, I go to close my account there...Guess? they do not refund any amount under $50....AMAZIN...you mean they keep any of your money under $50...
That's robbery and I'm pursuing the matter presently! If anyone has had a similar go with them please let us know...PEACE OUT....

not really

ur saying Ultimatebet is "rigged" because u cant win when in fact it is just you, eventually u will be playing on Full Tilt Poker and u will stop winning( because u might not be soo good and is just getting some luck at the moment) and call Full Tilt Poker "a cheat"
its not the site mate, it probably you

I prefer UB because I think all the weird hands come at FT!

Hi UB stooge observers...it's always the customer..of course..Why didn't I think of that sooner..I'm a donk and have no idea what I'm speaking about.
I did notice the rng runs differently on cash games... SNG tourney's are my
point of concern..if you google UB cheats and read up a litttle...you will find all kinds of complaints...a lot from pros who play the odds strictly.
Pros noticed this and that in tourney play big stacks tend to outdraw smaller stacks...that speeds up the games and ie the rake.
If you like UB so much try withdrawing under $50 and see what happens!
Keeping your money is totally bogus...maybe that will piss you off!

i think all poker sites are on a pretty even playing level,u have to remember that it is the actual player that has to press the call button not the poker software, it doesnt know which player is going to call and which isnt, i was coming 5th in a cc $10 buyin and wanted to go to bed and was happy with my placing,so i said to the rest of the players i had 8 3 and was going to bed and went all in and ended up with a str8 flush and no my 8 3 wasnt suited,lol, the guy that called me wasnt impressed, its just the luck of the cards, would everyone stop playing online if there was hard evidence that online poker was rigged?, just a thought

In my opinion FT is the one who always seems to reward the worst hand, I prefer UB. However, I agree about the $50 nonsense, that is robbery.

The cards fall the same way on a live table. AJo beats QQ with running clubs, people flop miracle sets vs overpairs and so on. Its variance. The best hand going in doesnt always win. I would suggest a regular omaha session each week so that you might increase your volitility threshold!

I 've got to make this point clear..the cheat refers to the deposit which is never returned if under $50. In my case, I did not wish to buy in for another $50 to get my balance back....that seemed contrary to common reason.
As for cards, I never said that it was rigged to cheat..I merely pointed out
that their tournament beats seem unreal...
What happened there was the end of a 100 player $10 SNG w/ almost even stacks...Player #1 wakes up w/ pkt KQ...Player #2 has pkt A5...the flop comes KQJ..#1 goes all in..#2 calls with squaduche on the come..the turn brings an Ace and the river a 5...
I'm not a mathematician but somebody knows what those odds are...probably off the charts.
Anyways I am well aware that no single evnent is rigged...just that in sng
style games large stacks are known to have an advantage...logic hints to speed up the end..I do not see the same in the cash hands.
Who knows for sure?

The A 5 draw on the turn and river is a little less than 2%, about 50 to 1 - a long shot for sure but not astonomical, play enough hands and this will happen.

Combine that 50 to 1 w/ it producing a bigger 2 pair for all the chips at a final table!
I also apologize for any misunderstanding that was produced via this post...
That really steamed me about the withdrawl policy..now in hindsight, it's not that big a deal.
I should have cooled down (give it a day) before going off at UB..I have enjoyed
many hours of fun poker there..the players are wild and crazier than most....the poker is insane!

^^being at the final table and it being the final hand does not matter, its just probablilities, he is going to hit that 1 in a while

UB really has a pi** poor number generator i know.I closed my account there for a year,but recently tried them again,but only played 1 game.I hate playing real long games,so i didnt get far.Fulltilt has a high rake,but i like them alot better.

I play at both FT and UB-- Ive won on BOTH and lost on both! I do have a problem w/full tilt tho-- I deposited $50 cash and am now told "I can't play tourneys OR ring games"!! What gives there?? I was able to register w/a differnt account in order to get in todays CC Freeroll and, because of some "ERROR" at FT my screen came up ALL screwed up! Couldn't see the tables, bet or do anything! And it's NOT the 1st time that's happened!! SOoooo-I deleted FT (AGAIN) NEVER to download them again! And, I can't withdraw either!!

Last night @ Full Tilt I made my 2nd Final tabe @ the 180 player $2 SNG...placed 6th for $20..(5 trys) At UB I could not place in anything more than 20 players...too many freaky suckouts with the waeaker hand catching up at the river....At Full Tilt, I noticed again that there were many bad beats and occasional suckouts like in real poker but the better hand did hold up at least a good portion of the time like in real poker!...That's all...it's said.... posted...done..overdone....As they say in golf after you got those new sticks that you always wanted..now Go Play and have some Fun!
cya on the green...

lol @ thinking you can know how good an rng is with no data.

Anyway, Ultimatebet is the ultimate cheat imo, but not because of that. If you do some research (real research, not just believing people posting on another forum or wherever you saw these "pros" commenting), you'd find that they had super-user accounts and basically tried to cover it up and still haven't admitted anything although the proof is overwhelming (with real data, not just "omg I lost with the best hand the rng's a joke it's rigged").

pardon my ignorance, but what is a super user account, and how does that work?

I get BBs ALOT at Ultimate Bet, come to think about it! BUT I get Bad Beats at Poker Stars too! And Full Tilt (as a matter of fact-they have $51.00 of mine in my account that I can't TOUCH!-Can't withdraw or even bet with for what ever reason!) Plus the fact I can't even get to the tables because of poor download! Doesn't happen any where else! My point is, BB are variances and a part of poker! It happens to everyone at ALL sites-NOT just UB!

Here's an article for all UB players to check out!
I had a feeling that my intuition was onto something strange.....

ULTIMATE BET Silent About Insider Cheating Allegations; Millions Suspected Stolen - Two Plus Two Poker Forum

We all have placed our hope and trust that these online rooms are
ethical and legit....
It's going to be a major bummer if it is proven otherwise.....

Sadly, it IS proven otherwise in this and countless other scandals and threads about them. Every platform has horror stories, some better masked by the PR department than others (richer sites). Get used to it and adjust your sights accordingly, because this is the reality in which we work and play. Don't 'trust' that anyone is 'legit' with your money in cyberspace. Caveat emptor.

Thanks Makwa....
There's a reason to forum this kind of stuff...it's not about
some disgruntled loser who's unhappy with bad beats...bad beats
are what makes poker so unique...We've all seen hands played all in (8/5) (J/4) etc. etc. which we thought the player must be drunk and they
took down pot after pot! They seem suspicious when in reality they're just plain lucky! But sometimes where there's smoke...guess what?

Check out the post below...who needs the clue now?
Hey matey..I'm not the lone ranger...proceed with care!

As long as people are naive they will look for any excuse to justify
their own belief...
Sometimes you have to question what the "F" is really going on !

check this out:

Resolution of Ultimatebet Cheating Situation Coming Soon?

Online gambling is obviously dangerous..corruption always follows the Big $$$
At least, if you'rer seeing a lot of cold decks, a taxi home is just a mouse click away!

Also..I wonder what chance there is for past posting?..that could explain some monkey business...

Another point is about the game of Texas Holdem itself..
In a draw game the deck to you is constantly changing due to variations
in the draws....not in TH...After the shuffle, only a random burn of a card
can change the outcome..Pros will occasionally ask for this out of sequence move if they suspect a cold deck!
It's all a gamble, but unfortunately, even a larger one in cyberville.
It's the price of entertainment and we all like the price to be right....

Peace out...............and Beware......but most of all.....have some fun!

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Please explain to me why people do this. You were playing for awhile in order to get 5th place, suddenly when you're at the final table you begin to get tired so you donkey-off your chips by going all-in over and over.

Why not just turn off your computer and leave your chip stack going? Just let the blinds finish you off slowly. You might get 4th place without even trying, maybe even 3rd place.

I just really hate it when there's someone at the table has "HAS TO GO RIGHT NOW" so they push all-in over and over and over. It's so annoying and pointless.

ok i agree with you in some things mate,but i was playing for about 3 hours and being the time difference here, it was like 5 am and i was buggerd and i didnt go all in over and over it was just the once and i felt bad for the guy i beat, in noway was i trying the improve my position in the tourny, we were all having fun having made the final table.One thing i would never do is sit out like a coward hoping to rake more profit from the tourny pot,but i do agrre that people that go all in over and over cause they have to go is stupid they should just sit out and fold their blinds until its gone, but i honestly didnt think my 83 unsuited would stand strong.

Franco, is the amount (less than $50) still in your account or did they completely remove it?

Finding the odds of one that particular combination of outs is meaningless.

Your hand analysis leaves out too much, like suits, blinds, and stack sizes (which need to be compared to the blinds and antes).
Depending on the suits, Player #2 could have been 42.83% to win after the flop. (IE, a flush and straight draw)
And and if player #1 only had a pair with no possible flush, played #2 would be better than 27%, which isn't a huge suck out. If P#1 had just one pair (which is more likely) and P#2 had a flush draw, P#2 would have been a favorite so putting all his chips in would have been a good play.