Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support??

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  #1
6th November 2009, 11:55 PM
IcyBlueAce
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem'
Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support??

One of my instant echecks bounced on FTP so they suspended my account, so then I put in enough money through VISA to cover that and more..

It says 24/7 support on the site, but its been over 8 hours now sense I've emailed them about the issue and I still have not gotten a response..

Is this typical? When should I expect a response from this "24/7 support" -- which seems to me likes its just "reply within 24 hours support" which is not the same as true 24/7 support.

I love FTP, but it seems to me all the other sites have way better support than them..
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  #2
6th November 2009, 11:59 PM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
8 hours is not very long for them. 24/7 does not mean you get instant responses.

(Moving this to poker rooms)
  #3
7th November 2009, 12:00 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
One of my instant echecks bounced on FTP so they suspended my account, so then I put in enough money through VISA to cover that and more..

It says 24/7 support on the site, but its been over 8 hours now sense I've emailed them about the issue and I still have not gotten a response..

Is this typical? When should I expect a response from this "24/7 support" -- which seems to me likes its just "reply within 24 hours support" which is not the same as true 24/7 support.

I love FTP, but it seems to me all the other sites have way better support than them..

every time i have emailed FTP they have gotten back to me within an hour

i actually just had a conversation with fulltilt custer Rep. earlier this week, they actually do have a good support system, dunno whats going on with your story or if your leaving out details
  #4
7th November 2009, 12:01 AM
Jack Daniels
 
Plays at: home.
Game: Da Bears
24/7 support doesn't mean they are sitting around waiting for you to write them an e-mail. It also doesn't mean how fast they will reply. It means that they have people working every hour of the day and every day of the week and working issues. And yes, sometimes they can be a bit slow to reply; just depends. Another member just posted the other day about them replying in like 20-30 minutes.

And no, their support is not that bad; you're just tilted on them right now. They are easily in a very small group of sites that are second only to PokerStars supports which crushes everyone.

Maybe FT Support would be able to reply back to members quicker on things if they weren't overloaded with people bouncing checks.
  #5
7th November 2009, 12:03 AM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Daniels
Maybe FT Support would be able to reply back to members quicker on things if they weren't overloaded with people bouncing checks.
I bet the very worst issue is all of the impatient members who send multiple emails on the same topic.
  #6
7th November 2009, 12:04 AM
TriggaLos
 
Plays at: Poker Stars
Game: Holdem
How do you bounce an echeck in the first place?
  #7
7th November 2009, 12:04 AM
brianvoytek
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: NL Hold em
re: Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support?? poker

It is Friday and normally call it a day early, then theyre off on the weekend. So you might have to wait till Monday to hear back from them. Honestly, I'm surprised you deposited into your account seeing how your suspended they normally block everything.
  #8
7th November 2009, 12:06 AM
woody19
 
Plays at: carbon/ft
Game: holdem
umm i think sometimes it does take longer than usual as i have e mailed them b4 and it has taken hours and hours but sometimes it get a responce in like 15/20 mins so all in all it isnt that bad of a supportsystem for ftp as it is a very big site and they have a lot of issues and people to respond 2
  #9
7th November 2009, 12:06 AM
IcyBlueAce
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem'
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianvoytek
It is Friday and normally call it a day early, then theyre off on the weekend. So you might have to wait till Monday to hear back from them. Honestly, I'm surprised you deposited into your account seeing how your suspended they normally block everything.
Its a lie then that they post 24/7 support then if they are "off on the weekend".

And to the poster above, INSTANT echecks -- they give you the money instantly but don't withdraw out of your account until a week or so later, the day they decided to try and withdraw is a day I happen to not have enough to cover what I withdrew.
  #10
7th November 2009, 12:08 AM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
The entire staff is not off on weekends lol. (and I don't think that is what Brian meant)
  #11
7th November 2009, 12:08 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggaLos
How do you bounce an echeck in the first place?
i was wondering this too, when i deposited on pokerstars i used echeck..it takes the money out of your bank account.

so i guess in order to bounce an echeck..you would have to have say $200 in your bank account, and than when you go to deposit on the site, you tell them you want to deposit $300...im guessing here i honestly dont know
  #12
7th November 2009, 12:10 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by brianvoytek
It is Friday and normally call it a day early, then theyre off on the weekend. So you might have to wait till Monday to hear back from them. Honestly, I'm surprised you deposited into your account seeing how your suspended they normally block everything.
if the staff got the weekends off, dont you think FTP would shut down?? lmao
  #13
7th November 2009, 12:11 AM
IcyBlueAce
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem'
Quote:
Originally Posted by PattyR
i was wondering this too, when i deposited on pokerstars i used echeck..it takes the money out of your bank account.

so i guess in order to bounce an echeck..you would have to have say $200 in your bank account, and than when you go to deposit on the site, you tell them you want to deposit $300...im guessing here i honestly dont know
Yeah, you can tell them any number sense they don't even know until they process the echeck which isn't until the week after.

Its useful to use if you don't have money at that time, but just make sure you don't forget about it!
  #14
7th November 2009, 12:15 AM
Jack Daniels
 
Plays at: home.
Game: Da Bears
re: Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support?? poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
Its useful to use if you don't have money at that time, but just make sure you don't forget about it!
I keep forgetting that term for this...

hmmm, what is it...

it's on the tip of my tongue...

oh yeah, it's fraud.
  #15
7th November 2009, 12:17 AM
Poker Orifice
 
Plays at: PartyPoker
Game: NLHE
Quote:
Originally Posted by PattyR
every time i have emailed FTP they have gotten back to me within an hour

i actually just had a conversation with fulltilt custer Rep. earlier this week, they actually do have a good support system, dunno whats going on with your story or if your leaving out details
they have gotten back to me within an hour

Then you sir are part of the fortunate few. When OP states that Fulltilt support seems slower than most others I'd have to agree. PattyR.. just curious... how many sites do you have direct experience with when it comes to dealing with support? I've dealt with many, about alot of different issues. I'd have to rank Fulltilt's support as the worst, mostly due to how f'n slow they can be (not just one occassion....basing this on a large sample size, lol).
I've had very good experiences when dealing with Fulltilt support (ie. have gone out of their way for me on a bunch of occassions and have been extremely helpful) but the wait times can be very long at times.
  #16
7th November 2009, 12:20 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poker Orifice
they have gotten back to me within an hour

Then you sir are part of the fortunate few. When OP states that Fulltilt support seems slower than most others I'd have to agree. PattyR.. just curious... how many sites do you have direct experience with when it comes to dealing with support? I've dealt with many, about alot of different issues. I'd have to rank Fulltilt's support as the worst, mostly due to how f'n slow they can be (not just one occassion....basing this on a large sample size, lol).
I've had very good experiences when dealing with Fulltilt support (ie. have gone out of their way for me on a bunch of occassions and have been extremely helpful) but the wait times can be very long at times.
personally i've dealt with 3 support systems (FTP, Ultimatebet, and Pokerstars)

id rank Pokerstars at the top...but i have not had any problems with FTP support ..sorry if you disagree
  #17
7th November 2009, 12:22 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
Yeah, you can tell them any number sense they don't even know until they process the echeck which isn't until the week after.

Its useful to use if you don't have money at that time, but just make sure you don't forget about it!
so is that what you did? did you tell them a number ($) that you didn have..and than forgot about it?
  #18
7th November 2009, 12:30 AM
IcyBlueAce
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem'
Quote:
Originally Posted by PattyR
so is that what you did? did you tell them a number ($) that you didn have..and than forgot about it?
The following week was my payday, but I overwithdrew in this account.
  #19
7th November 2009, 12:59 AM
kadafi
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: holdem
Everyone on this forum defends online poker sites religiously.
  #20
7th November 2009, 1:04 AM
TriggaLos
 
Plays at: Poker Stars
Game: Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by kadafi
Everyone on this forum defends online poker sites religiously.

Because 99% of the time, it's the individuals fault, not the poker site.
  #21
7th November 2009, 1:19 AM
doops
 
Plays at: FullTilt
Game: Limit holdem
re: Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support?? poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
The following week was my payday, but I overwithdrew in this account.
No wonder they froze you. It's a good way to be PNG at any establishment, including your own bank. Be grateful they are not likely to press criminal charges.

And I dunno why you thinks processing takes a week. It's electronic -- should be, at most, next business day for the bank withdrawal to appear in your bank records. Might take longer for a merchant (FT) to be notified you cheated them.
  #22
7th November 2009, 1:25 AM
coolnout
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Holdem
Saw another thread on this issue on another site. I guess you just have to be patient and they'll get to you eventually. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear tho. Looks like it takes them several days (5-7) to resolve these issues of bounced echeck deposits as they have a huge volume of them. If you covered the deposit your account should be restored then.
  #23
7th November 2009, 2:32 AM
doops
 
Plays at: FullTilt
Game: Limit holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolnout
Saw another thread on this issue on another site. I guess you just have to be patient and they'll get to you eventually. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear tho. Looks like it takes them several days (5-7) to resolve these issues of bounced echeck deposits as they have a huge volume of them. If you covered the deposit your account should be restored then.
I wouldn't be surprised if you have to wait for any deposits to fully clear from now on. It'd be interesting to know if they let you play with "pending" money again.
  #24
7th November 2009, 3:32 AM
Maid Marian
 
Plays at: FT/Carbon
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by doops
I wouldn't be surprised if you have to wait for any deposits to fully clear from now on. It'd be interesting to know if they let you play with "pending" money again.
I agree with this...I doubt they will let you play with anything until it clears your bank & theirs. I 've never had any trouble with getting FT support to return my e-mails...they respond every time, even weekends!
GL...
  #25
7th November 2009, 4:24 AM
tpb221
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggaLos
How do you bounce an echeck in the first place?

echeck is goofy. Yes, you would think that they would take it out instantly, but they don't always. I deposited $25 on pokerstars for some bonus thingy and 2/3 months later I get a nice email that they "forgot" to take it out of my bank account. They asked me to redeposit or I could have it removed form my PS account. Yea-doesn't make any sense.

To OP-they are probably waiting to make sure the visa is good and there are no charge backs.
  #26
7th November 2009, 8:58 AM
hccooley
 
Plays at: Full Tilt
Game: Hold 'Em
I just love some of the responses you get here....

Just because the deposit method is labeled "Instant eChecks" does not mean it's automatically coming out of your bank account. It means your account is instantly credited with the money, with the actual hit on your bank account pending. I've used eCheck deposits on PokerStars and Full Tilt, and I can give you at least three seperate instances in which it took at least a week for the transaction to clear by bank.

With the traffic of different people's bank accounts varying, it's very possible for some people to think they have a deposit covered and that not actually be the case. Just because a person makes a mistake does not mean he is trying to scam a site.
  #27
7th November 2009, 10:30 AM
Vfranks
 
Plays at: FullTilt
Game: 7-game, NLHE
Quote:
Originally Posted by doops
I wouldn't be surprised if you have to wait for any deposits to fully clear from now on. It'd be interesting to know if they let you play with "pending" money again.
I know on pokerstars that if you bounce 1 echeck they make u wait until any future ones clear before any funds become available..I only know this because I read it the other day, not sure about fulltilt tho as I have never acctually used an echeck.
  #28
7th November 2009, 1:41 PM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
re: Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support?? poker

Icy - sorry, but I am going to have to play mother or financial advisor here for a minute. I hope you have learned a lesson - but it sounds like you have done this multiple times and it finally caught up with you.

If you have money coming into your bank account it is not available until it has been deposited into your account. What you were trying to do is borrow funds that you did not yet have - and to play poker??? That is wrong on so many levels. If I were Full Tilt I would put your issue at the bottom of the list in priority and first deal with customers who have issues that they didn't cause themselves or that were simple mistakes.

It also sounds like you probably have an issue with bankroll management if you are having to deposit multiple times and are so anxious to get money online that you can't wait a week for your paycheck to be deposited. There are some good threads here that can help you with that.

Make a thread in Learning Poker and tell us what you are playing and what your bankroll will be once you get all of this sorted out.

I am not trying to be mean - you just need to stop this cycle. If you are this careless with your money in poker I am sure it spills over to other things as well. Now is a great time to fix that.
  #29
7th November 2009, 2:25 PM
sharkyo01
 
Plays at: Fulltilt
Game: Hold em
Quote:
Originally Posted by dakota-xx
Icy - sorry, but I am going to have to play mother or financial advisor here for a minute. I hope you have learned a lesson - but it sounds like you have done this multiple times and it finally caught up with you.

If you have money coming into your bank account it is not available until it has been deposited into your account. What you were trying to do is borrow funds that you did not yet have - and to play poker??? That is wrong on so many levels. If I were Full Tilt I would put your issue at the bottom of the list in priority and first deal with customers who have issues that they didn't cause themselves or that were simple mistakes.

It also sounds like you probably have an issue with bankroll management if you are having to deposit multiple times and are so anxious to get money online that you can't wait a week for your paycheck to be deposited. There are some good threads here that can help you with that.

Make a thread in Learning Poker and tell us what you are playing and what your bankroll will be once you get all of this sorted out.

I am not trying to be mean - you just need to stop this cycle. If you are this careless with your money in poker I am sure it spills over to other things as well. Now is a great time to fix that.
I love the truth in that!!!
  #30
7th November 2009, 3:33 PM
tbdbitl
 
Plays at: UltimateBet
Game: NL HE/HORSE
Look In The Mirror First!

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
Its a lie then that they post 24/7 support then if they are "off on the weekend".

And to the poster above, INSTANT echecks -- they give you the money instantly but don't withdraw out of your account until a week or so later, the day they decided to try and withdraw is a day I happen to not have enough to cover what I withdrew.
Why would you have outstanding notes that exceed what you have in your account? They didn't decide to wait until you didn't have money in the account. YOU decided to spend more money than you had.

If you can't keep enough money in the bank to cover checks and withdrawals, then you have no business depositing money on a poker site. And, I'm guessing that you are doing a lot of things that you cannot afford to do besides poker.

Get a grip on your personal finances! When you have built a Poker Bankroll at home that you do not need to live on, then deposit! Until then you will have to freeroll an online bankroll!

This may sound harsh. You may be ticked off after reading this. This is not my intent. This is what is necessary for proper Bankroll Management as well as managing personal finances. Good Luck!
  #31
8th November 2009, 12:04 AM
IcyBlueAce
 
Plays at: FTP
Game: Holdem'
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbdbitl
Why would you have outstanding notes that exceed what you have in your account? They didn't decide to wait until you didn't have money in the account. YOU decided to spend more money than you had.

If you can't keep enough money in the bank to cover checks and withdrawals, then you have no business depositing money on a poker site. And, I'm guessing that you are doing a lot of things that you cannot afford to do besides poker.

Get a grip on your personal finances! When you have built a Poker Bankroll at home that you do not need to live on, then deposit! Until then you will have to freeroll an online bankroll!

This may sound harsh. You may be ticked off after reading this. This is not my intent. This is what is necessary for proper Bankroll Management as well as managing personal finances. Good Luck!
Learn to read before you post idiot.

Its a common mistake and this has only ever happened once in my life.


ANYWAY.

Took them 10 hours to reply and get things fixed..

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  #32
8th November 2009, 12:17 AM
pokerchild69
 
Plays at: Pokerstars
Game: omaha
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
Learn to read before you post idiot.

Yet after reading this one line.. Id consider for u to find somewhere else to piss and moan about your complaints.. All the advice from ppl who know MUCH MUCH more than u and u respond by calling ppl a idiot..

IMO i wish they seized all ur funds and blocked your acct permanently.. You dont sound friendly imo, you sound like someone with a gambling problem and dont like it when ppl tell u so..

Call me a idiot.. I dont care... Your opinion has about zero value to me if u cant balance ur check book

Oh btw if u cant keep track of your funds and u overdraw what does that make u?
  #33
8th November 2009, 12:20 AM
polingpower
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: holdem
it was called kiting a check in the old days send to three or four banks(no i won't tell you how its done) you keep the money
NOW DAYS IT WILL LAND YOU IN JAIL
  #34
8th November 2009, 12:26 AM
dakota-xx
 
Plays at: pokerstars
Game: NL Holdem
Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
Learn to read before you post idiot.

Its a common mistake and this has only ever happened once in my life.
You mean you only got caught once. Anyone reading this thread would make the assumption since you know so much about how long it takes that you have attempted it in the past.

And petty name calling is not permitted here.
  #35
8th November 2009, 12:50 AM
PattyR
 
Plays at: full tilt
Game: hold em
re: Suspended FTP account from instant echeck, not 24/7 hour support?? poker

Quote:
Originally Posted by IcyBlueAce
If guys wern't so rude I wouldn't be rude back, rediculus how I state my problem with the echeck and people assume the worst.. Wtf, why would I even post what happened if I was a crook?

Morons.
nobody called u names though...and you still continue with the name calling
 



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