Real Deal Poker!Have you heard of it yet?

Hey!Has anyone heard of Real Deal Poker around here?

I've been checking it out and it seems to be the greatest thing to ever happen for poker players! Instead of using Rng(Random number generators) like any other site around, they use a real deck with usage of burn cards which is shuffled and filmed! then the player in dealer position gets to choose whether to cut or no just like in real poker and this helps to avoid bots...

They say they want to make "live poker online" as opposed to "online poker" we all see and maybe this will stop all the rigged poker topics lying around! It's supposed to launch on the 10th of march and I hope they don't get problems from all the online poker sites around(No U.S players will limit these I hope).

Any thoughts on this breakthrough for internet poker?
I'm pretty happy about this and if you want more info check their site realdealpoker.com.

I really like the sound of this, but would also be very cautious about it. I would wait for it to be a bit more established before i put my money there

does sound pretty kool.but as ben said will waite till it get's more established

If it will reduce the bad beat whining and rigtard rants then I'm a fan. But I doubt I'll ever play there. I do well at FT and I like it. Every other site I have tried I have liked less than FT, I'm through shopping around.

Dumbest Idea Ever.

Rigtards will like it.

I'll be curious to see what happens when the rigtards suffer the same bad beats there that they do everywhere else.

We had a brief discussion about the site back in January: new dealing method

The basic thrust of the discussion from everyone except the guy with one post who never came back was "LOL this is stupid". What's been ignored is that the constant-shuffle system used by Full Tilt and other sites is actually better than a live dealer's shuffle. I'm a live game dealer and I still believe that.

I asked a few serious questions and never got any answers, I'll reproduce them below just in case anyone has any ideas on it:

1 - You're seriously going to have machines shuffling physical decks of cards for every single hand that's dealt on your site?

2 - No really, be serious. A mechanically shuffled deck of cards for every hand?!?

3 - LOL

4 - Since your system is obviously more expensive than that used by every other poker site in existence, how much extra rake do you plan on charging to cover your expenses?

5 - I assume as your site grows you'll need to add more shuffling machines to cope with the demand. Got a pretty big warehouse or something do you?

6 - Your competitors are well established and operating with significantly lower fixed and variable costs per unit. How long do you give yourselves before you go broke?

7 - Why does "cutting" the deck cause a reshuffle? Surely it should just cause a cut? Or is that process mechanised as well and your machine isn't up to performing a physical cut? Because if it's a full reshuffle and not a physical / virtual cut WTF is the point? Either your punters trust your shuffle or they don't.

(Note: the site's FAQ has since been updated on this point, and from it I gather they don't perform a physical cut of the deck - a player can choose what the first card dealt is going to be as long as it's not one of the top or bottom four on the deck. My other questions still stand though)

8 - Having a player cut the deck is a home game / self-dealt thing anyway and. No sane casino in the world would let the players touch the deck stub. Makes you look pretty amateur, amirite? Or does this say more about the kind of punters you're looking to attract?

9 - Having a player cut the deck carries with it the implication that the shuffle couldn't be trusted in the first place. Seriously, it's only done in games where the dealer / shuffler is also a player. Are you concerned about what this says about your site and the confidence you're inspiring in your shuffle method?

10 - I'm completely lost on this last one - how exactly does your system eliminate bots? Do you think they couldn't be programmed to press a virtual "cut / no cut" button or something? Or do you not understand what bots do?

11 - Seriously, just how dumb do you think people are?

12 - LOL. Srsly.

(Read "you" as "Real Deal Poker" BTW - I'm not talking about or directing the questions to the OP)

It sounds interesting, but i'll probably wont try to play there until I get positive feedback from CC'ers that give it a try.

Just looking at this on the surface, oz brings up the most obvious point how can the physical act of shuffling and cutting the deck be incorporated into a virtual arena, apart from the shuffling and cutting aspect you need cameras, lighting,people to change decks etc.Hate to be to negative but in most bussinesses keeping costs down is the name of the game

LOL!I don't understand why there are so many negative feedbacks before it is even out!"Dumbest idea ever?"why is that?don't you like online poker?what's dumb about feeling as though you're in a real casino while you're at home and getting rid of all the "I was cheated" lines?

And Oz, maybe they're betting on all the people that backfired from online poker because of losses(which are quite a lot!) to come and play on their site...
That way yes they can finance a whole lot of machines, and which is even easier, a whole lot of wharehouses...You know how much money FTP makes in a day?Maybe they'll make less I don't care, but at least they'll get a whole lot of players and lose much less of them because of their system.
As to all the stuff about cutting or not, it's just an option for the skeptics of online poker so they feel that they are actively participating and the flop could've been different because of their choice(whether it is really or not is another topic) so as to avoid further people crying about cheating.

Seriously I don't get all the anger at that program. If you're making money on full tilt, good for you, don't change and I wouldn't either. But what's the harm in trying out this new system just like we tried a whole lot of other poker sites?some were good and some were bad, and in the end we stuck with what was good for us,but don't judge it prematurely because how could you know? that's why I'm surely gonna give this site a try...Maybe it'll be one of the good ones!

My problem is they're preying on stupid people. There's nothing new in that of course, all casinos around the world do it, but the claims this site is making are so inane and paper-thin that I just can't help but laugh. Plus there's a small concern that if enough stupid people believe their claims the real sites the rest of us play on will start to lose some fish.

Since you're interested though Elie I'll ask you a couple of questions:

- In your original post you said you believed their claim that their system will help to eliminate bots. How, exactly, do you think their system will achieve that?

- Do you know why it's normal to have a player cut the deck in a self-dealt game but not in a casino game? (Hint: the answer is above) If you do, and you think their shuffle method can be trusted, why do you think it's anything other than a ten second waste of time at the start of every hand?

There for a second I was all disappointed that Oz so nailed this one I'd have nothing fun to say.

How in the world is this going to make you feel like you're in a real casino? Online poker is online poker, played in the privacy of your home, sometimes in yer undies, where you can scratch your azz and nobody calls you on it. That doesn't change whether the site uses a RNG, by shuffling and dealing real cards, or having a real live donkey step on the cards to choose the order. If it's random, it's random.

The idea that this is "safer" bugs me the most. It's not. Any way you slice it, I'm still sitting half a world away behind my monitor. I won't know if this company is really using this "real deal" contraption, or has a few for show and uses a conventional RNG for the actual work. I believe the major sites are truly random (ok, pseudorandom) and can test that statistically. I'm willing to believe this thing will be as well, it just accomplishes it in a needlessly complex and expensive way that shows me they really don't understand any of this. The bot thing is just icing on the cake. So, I'm to assume someone is running a bot that can read the screen, play NLHE better than I can, but it won't be able to click a button to indicate "cut or no cut"? Frankly, that's an insult to any thinking player's intelligence.

A lot, I'll wager, but I wouldn't invest one cent of my money in this, and here's why:

It looks to be a very great deal more expensive to run than FT. It's hard to scale, as you need more machines and space to house them when you want to add capacity. Compare to a conventional site where a 1U server would suffice for thousands of tables, if not more. It claims to solve problems it doesn't really solve. I'm doubtful enough players will believe what it offers worthwhile to overcome the above.

Like I said, it's basically insulting to us. I'm not angry, and I won't begrudge the guy any money he makes. From the player perspective, it's just another site, and as long as the deal is random, who cares how he does it. It does tend to get my back up a bit when somebody comes along and says "Hey, lookit, isn't this awesome?!?" because the answer is no, it's a gimmick. He'll have to do something else to attract me. Good software, big playerbase, and lower net rake than FT and I'll try it. Otherwise, it simply doesn't solve any problem I have.

RF

Like I said, they will not have warehouses of these, lol.

In red that sounds very interesting, it sounds like we will be able to cut and choose where (maybe?) the deck is cut, or no cut at all. Sounds stupid and neat in a way.

Oh also, I believe other poker sites use random methods by gathering data from space? Well now when the poker gods are mad at us, they can't decide our fate on this site. :P

Entropic/chaos RNGs are the fairest, safest poker dealing method ever invented.

Dealing physical cards for online poker is monumentally silly.

I didn't read this whole thread except the first post - but I also think it's pretty dumb.

When you play in a live poker room and they use a card shuffling machine in the table - how do you think those get shuffled? There's a computer chip that runs the damn thing and it generates random numbers to shuffle the physical deck.

Even the rigtards won't hang around. They'll lose money as usual because they suck at poker, then it will be "OMG REAL DEAL POKER IS RIGGED MORE LIEK FAKE DEAL POKER LOL", then all the other rigtards will follow suit, leaving Real Deal Poker's sole audience to be 60+ year-olds who don't 'get' the internet.

Ok...
@OZ I didn't say I believed it would eliminate bots but it is what THEY said! whether it's true or not(and probably not) I didn't know since I don't major in CCE and I didn't give it full thought at first...
AND about the damn cut!If you read my second post you would see that I don't believe this would change anything!All I'm saying is that we will get rid of the rigtards and play online in a different manner that might be fun!
And finally! I'm not saying it would be safer or all the other sites are rigged! I'm just saying that stupid people who believe other sites are rigged will not be able to present that excuse here!(Or could they?Actually Dorkus made a point here )

Ok.Now I understand that you're mad about this thread because it would make you lose fishies on the online sites and I apologize about that...But I didn't have that intention, it just seemed like a new site with a system that might be fun and that we should try out, and I was telling more people on cardschat about it. No more, no less.

I hope this makes things clearer...Stop making me look like a damn rigtard! I play at both full tilt and pokerstars and this was just a thread! You don't like the site or stupid people then flame them, but don't flame me!

Yes, but even with that the deck is still being shuffled in a random way that a computer couldn't controle (unless they made the shuffler that way -- plus the dealer cuts the deck by hand, sometimes more than once.

I've heard about, really anticipating release. I do have an odd feeling that it won't work out

never happen, doomed before the start.

i'd def give this a try. I gotta see how many hands you see per a hour and how it is with multitabling

Wayy more info here, you really do get to "cut" the deck yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/realdealpoker1

Still looks idiotic to me. Cutting the deck prevents the dealer stacking it. That shouldn't be an issue here, and if it is (zomg, it's rigged!) cutting the "deck" won't do anything.

Burn cards are intended to prevent someone marking the cards and thereby knowing the next card to be dealt. Again, not an issue in online poker. I still don't see that this actually solves anything.

RF

They just want a realistic poker site (plus a retard way to attract people).. Basically what I see happening is slower games because of people cutting the deck, and some other things they do to delay the game.. This means people playing will often be soft players..

I can't wait for this site to open.. it will be FILLED with fish.

They might get 400 players at peak times but they'll be gone quick (rigtards don't have BRs). Now losing your $$s when a fly by night like this closes shop IS something you should be concerned with when playing online.

Dang...Just checked FAQ at site..It's non US....

All those fishes are swimming out of the country...Gl to our members that can play here

It is closing in on April First really fast.

I've read all the posts untill here and it is funny how a lot of serious guys belive that thing can be done and how they think that some real deal dealer can shuffle the cards better than a computer. Never in his life. If a card has a small piece of dust on it it is not random anymore. And filming 5k tables at the same moment is a joke that i cannot laugh at because it is bad joke. I just wanna see who pays 10 milions a mounth 5k dealers(chinesse or indian dealers to be cheap) and who buys cameras ,tables, sits , etc etc whatever crosses your minds for 2-3 million dollars.
Maybe they can make this like an event ones a year for 100-200 tables tournament for the online poker players for a buy-in of 10k-20k dollars. And still they would have a lot of problems. Imagine a broken camera or more .

Get real ppl. This is just a bad joke .

Did you just randomly type what came to mind? Because you obviously haven't read enough.

Sorry, guess "I've been checking it out and it seems to be the greatest thing to ever happen for poker players" has changed meanings or something - your responses so far indicate that you think this site will be a good thing, that you believe the claims about removing bots, that you believe it will provide a "real casino" experience and that you believe it'll satisfy the rigtards.

If that's not what you meant or if you're distancing yourself from those statements now then it's all good I guess

Plus Dorkus is right, the rigtards will still claim it's rigged and lulz will ensue. For extra lulz I'd really like to hear the site's answers to some of the questions I asked - specifically what they're planning on charging in rake since their system is clearly way way more expensive to operate than anyone else's.

I read all the posts but i saw the videos after that. I thought first that the ideea of a shuffle machine was just an exageration and they will use real ppl cose is cheaper. But after seeing the machine i think the ideea is much dumber than i thought and that will cost more than i thought first. I work in authomatics and i know how higly expensive to mentain and how much space this kind of machines takes and how much they are affected of a piece of dust on a card. More that an indian or a chinesse shuffleing the deck. Also i know that to randomly shuffle cards of the same dimensions and weight with a device you need a computer with random number generator algorithm to do that . Also i do not see why we need to cut a deck shuffled by a machine when the cutting option was invented specialy to prevent less human interference and now having an algorithm that generates a series of random numbers by a computer we want to be sure it is much random. I am a beginner , i have a 0 bankroll cose i play bad poker but i never doubted the algorithm and never will.
But the basic ideea are the costs. Never gonna happen . Is like the ideas of Kramer from Seinfeld.
I do think that machine is good for live tournaments even if it is not as estetic as a dealer and it makes noise like a printer.

The cards should ALWAYS be cut!! But other than that people will still whine about it being rigged. People crying about online poker being rigged have not played enough live poker IMO, I see things playing live and think well theres a hand that would be considered rigged online. The only reason you see these type of hands online is becasue of the amount of hands being dealt. For instance pokerstars just ran their 40 billionth hand promotion, when it started it took only 7 hours to deal 17 million hands which is 2,428,571 hands per hour and 40,476 hand per minute.

The best "rigged" hand I seen live was 2 people getting AA and 2 getting KK and the KK hands winning with K high straights, if that hand were online I can't even imagine the threads people would be posting.

I remember a site something like this where they had a real dealer on cam and he would deal the game you just clicked on your screen to let him know what actions you wanted to take it's not around anymore but it was different

You clearly didn't read and don't know what your talking about.

I do noit want to argue with you. But still i do not know what is wrong with what i said. No arguments, not nothing.