PokerStars rakeback for dummies

#1 30th November 2010, 5:31 PM

Hey, a new month is starting and I wonder if that means I should do something for my VIP status on PokerStars.

I know the information can be found on their webpage, but can someone jsut tell me in one sentence if I should be aware of anything? I am currrently playing maybe 1,500 hands per day (2NL).

Thanks.

#2 1st December 2010, 12:09 AM

In one sentence:
Good luck getting many vpp playing $2nl! let along 750 vpp for silverstar.

You get about 8vpp for every dollar of rake at $2nl so you need to be raked $90-95 to get 750 vpp

#3 1st December 2010, 1:31 AM

In a sentence (or 2): If you're below Supernova then you will get better RB from other sites. If you play lots of volume and are Supernova or above then Stars RB is 2nd to none!

#4 1st December 2010, 5:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagsti

In a sentence (or 2): If you're below Supernova then you will get better RB from other sites. If you play lots of volume and are Supernova or above then Stars RB is 2nd to none!

Ok but I am staying on Stars for now.

In chat someone said if I play more than 2,000 hands each day then it would make a difference, is that correct or should I just not worry about it...?

#5 1st December 2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CistaCista

Ok but I am staying on Stars for now.

In chat someone said if I play more than 2,000 hands each day then it would make a difference, is that correct or should I just not worry about it...?

Well it should be obvious that the more hands you play then the more Vpps you earn.

Vpps = Fpps = cash

I'm not sure what the earn rates are at 2nl, but if you have HEM then that will calculate it for you. If not load up some tables, play some hands and calculate the amount of vpps earned.

TBH, I don;t think you should be worrying until you're at least Platinum if not Supernova. Concentrate on winrate 1st, then move up stakes and when you get to say 50nl then the Vpp's earned will become more meaningful.

#6 1st December 2010, 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagsti

I don;t think you should be worrying until you're at least Platinum if not Supernova.

Excellent, thank you very much!

#7 8th December 2010, 10:00 AM

I'm going to resurrect this thread so I don't get bashed for not searching. Hopefully someone will see my questions lol.

Basically I am deciding between signing up for rake back with full tilt or staying to Pokerstars and pushing for Platinum star.

I play only 6max (and love the sunday Pokerstars tournys) and pretty much looking to get the most value. I don't see supernova as a possibility so basically is Platinum's overall value as much or better than 27% with FT?

#8 8th December 2010, 12:47 PM

Platinum is worth approx 23% + whatever cash bonuses you earn from the Stellar rewards.

#9 8th December 2010, 5:24 PM

In another thread I had asked about Pokerstars vs. Fulltilt if I was going to do a ton of volume just for a month. Playing $5 sngs or <$10 tournaments I'm not sure if the holiday bonuses at Full tilt are better than steller rewards at Pokerstars.

#10 8th December 2010, 6:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BallnOnaBudgt

I'm going to resurrect this thread so I don't get bashed for not searching. Hopefully someone will see my questions lol.

Basically I am deciding between signing up for rake back with full tilt or staying to Pokerstars and pushing for Platinum star.

I play only 6max (and love the sunday Pokerstars tournys) and pretty much looking to get the most value. I don't see supernova as a possibility so basically is Platinum's overall value as much or better than 27% with FT?

I don't understand how if you're getting platinum each month how you can't/won't push for supernova? It is only 10,000 more VPP's. Now to me that's is a hell of a lot to earn because I'm basic bronze at the minute but for someone earning 7,500 isn't it worth pushing for the extra 1000 vpp's per month and becoming supernova? Surely that is better overall than platinum?

#11 8th December 2010, 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by straytfrush

In another thread I had asked about Pokerstars vs. Fulltilt if I was going to do a ton of volume just for a month. Playing $5 sngs or <$10 tournaments I'm not sure if the holiday bonuses at Full tilt are better than steller rewards at Pokerstars.

I think fulltilt w/RB is way better. You get 27% rakeback but fulltilt also has ironman bonus as well as other random bonuses. I've hear it's about 32% RB equivelent and about 40% if you get a blackcard. Not to mention the games are alot softer than pokerstars in general. As said until you reach supernova fulltilt is a better deal.

#12 9th December 2010, 12:49 AM

While I'd love to get the black card, I won't be able to since I'll only be putting in a lot of volume for 1 month. Can't keep that up once classes start again. The only problem I see with fulltilt is that they don't offer DoN games which are a lot easier to multitable since I feel you can make more robotic moves.

#13 9th December 2010, 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ramdeebam

I don't understand how if you're getting platinum each month how you can't/won't push for supernova? It is only 10,000 more VPP's. Now to me that's is a hell of a lot to earn because I'm basic bronze at the minute but for someone earning 7,500 isn't it worth pushing for the extra 1000 vpp's per month and becoming supernova? Surely that is better overall than platinum?

I could be wrong here, and dont hesitate to correct me if I am. But to me it looks like supernova would be about 92.5k more than platinum?

I'm still undecided because 23%+ stellar could not be that far off from 27% could it? I don't play many tournaments but I do love the sunday guarantees on Pokerstars which almost makes me want to stay with Pokerstars.

You really think the games are softer on FT? Just an opinion i'm assuming?

#14 9th December 2010, 10:54 PM

please explane how i go about geting rakeback...pleaaaaaaaaase

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#16 10th December 2010, 5:10 AM

Thank you joebob, made my decision so much more simple. I'm not going through a fraction of the waiting/trouble/effort I read about in the thread you posted.

Sticking with stars, maybe someday I'll have enough time and BR to reach supernova lol

#17 12th December 2010, 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BallnOnaBudgt

You really think the games are softer on FT? Just an opinion i'm assuming?

It depends on the stakes and types of games you play. Personally, I find that cash is softer on Stars, while SnGs tend to be softer on FT. MTTs, it's a wash I think.

#18 13th December 2010, 8:16 AM

Okay believe it or not, I still have the most stupid question in the dummy repertoire left:

As I am playing on PokerStars, do they actually pay out the rakeback at the end of the month like other sites or is it automated every hand?

PTR estimates I have paid $21 on my 2NL so far, but I have no idea if I'll have rakeback coming to me when the month ends.

#19 13th December 2010, 8:43 AM

Pokerstars does not have rakeback. They have the VIP rewards program.

#20 13th December 2010, 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CistaCista

Okay believe it or not, I still have the most stupid question in the dummy repertoire left:

As I am playing on PokerStars, do they actually pay out the rakeback at the end of the month like other sites or is it automated every hand?

PTR estimates I have paid $21 on my 2NL so far, but I have no idea if I'll have rakeback coming to me when the month ends.

I think you missed the distinction between VIP and rakeback.

On Stars, your "rakeback" comes in the form of VIP bonuses and such that you buy with your VIP points. You don't get paid a regular rakeback like on FT and other sites.

If you're playing 2NL, you're simply not going to benefit much from the VIP program. A flat rakeback plan would better suit you. When your volume or stakes go up to the point that you're earning a lot of VIP's and increasing in VIP levels, then it becomes more attractive. Get to SN or SNE, and it's very lucrative, but I don't think there's enough time in the day to get there from 2NL.

#21 14th December 2010, 7:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dmorris68

If you're playing 2NL, you're simply not going to benefit much from the VIP program. A flat rakeback plan would better suit you.

Ok, but it is really difficult to get a feeling for what you get then.

I'd like to know how the number 23 % as seen above was calculated? And does anyone have any idea what you can get if you are a silver star or a gold star? Would that be around 10 %, 15 %?

#22 22nd December 2010, 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CistaCista

Ok, but it is really difficult to get a feeling for what you get then.

I'd like to know how the number 23 % as seen above was calculated? And does anyone have any idea what you can get if you are a silver star or a gold star? Would that be around 10 %, 15 %?

OK this information is supplied by FPP Pro.

It makes assumptions that you use your fpp's in the purchase of the $4k bonus. So if your playing 2nl that wil take a really long time. If you purchase the lower cash bonuses then your effective rb rate will drop. The link also provides the equivalent rb rates for lower statuses. I'll be honest it's only ever gonna matter if your like >25nl cash or like >$16 sng's and you MMT imo.

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