PokerRoom rake at 10NL

... is frickin' ridiculous!

I just popped into one of these rooms to practice lagging it up - always fun pwning noobs - and was shocked to see the amount of rake that was taken. Here are my stats for the session (3-5 handed):



OK so I ended up losing 2/3 of a buy-in, never mind. But look at the amount of rake I paid! $15.60 - are they serious? 1 PTBB is $0.20 at this level, so they're raking at 41 PTBB/100 hands! (For those who don't know, a "Poker Tracker Big Bet" or PTBB is twice the size of the big blind. It's that way because in Limit, a Big Bet is twice the big blind.)

Seeing as a good winrate in NLHE is like 5 PTBB/100, this means it's impossible to beat these games. OK, the players here are all beginners so if you're good you could win for maybe 20 PTBB/100, but it'll still all get eaten up by the rake.

I feel sorry for the beginning players who are just starting out their bankrolls here - they're destined never to go anywhere, because it's impossible!

If anyone has comparable measurements for other sites, please post. In the meantime I suggest micro-stakes players avoid PokerRoom and skins because it's a rip-off.

Wow, thats absolutely rediculous. Heres some stats for 10max at Bodog. Half the amount raked at Pokerroom and 10x the amount of hands, lol.

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Here's my full tilt one, minus the screenshot:

Total hands: 2,529
Amount won: $53.00
BB/100 hands: 10.48

Total rake: $64.40

The last time I played live at the 1/2 no-limit-no-foldem-holdem table, the rake was basically $3 a hand. Once the table broke down to 5 people I left as well, it would have basically been impossible to not lose money unless you totally gambled.

PF Raise % = 48%

LOL @ Bomby

To quote Tuff Fush - "Holy Mackerel!".

I remember my 1 and only time playing a head up ring game at Titan. Opponent was sat with $30 on a 0.5/1 no limit, I sat down with $40. I won a few hands early, he came back later. After 12 hands I had $38.50, he had $28. Never played again.

Your PFR is really low. RAISE MORE!

To be fair my figure is probably higher than average since I was taking down a lot more than my fair share of pots and playing 4 times as many as you would at full ring. So you might expect my rake to be maybe 5 times higher than it would be at a full ring table. Still, people play short-handed as well!