A poker dilemma

#1 16th March 2011, 11:43 AM

Hi all on cardschat. Im new here and I want to start a little discussion

And well whats my dilemma then. Well basicly I want to know whats your take on uttd ( under the table deals) and whats the risk on playing on deals like that?

Im doing that on a pretty big site and I know the guy promoting it very well and know he wouldn't screw me anytime. But still is it worth it and am I doing anything wrong and risking anything?

Reason why I play on this is that well I get like close to twice the amount of rake that I would on a normal deal. Im missing out on rakeraces and stuff but still its alot more profitble I think.

Well would be nice to get a discussion around this adn exuse my english Im from sweden

#2 16th March 2011, 11:45 AM

Hi and welcome to CardsChat.
I have no clue about uttd so I will leave that to someone who does.

#3 16th March 2011, 12:03 PM

I dont have any personal experience in this (BTW, to all who are wondering, this is referring to rakeback deals where the affiliate pays more than the norm (something they do on their own and are NOT supported in this by a poker room) not dealing cards under the table..... or I hope it is anyway lol)

If you google you can find a number of sources of information - like with anything - but AFAIK you are at the mercy of the affiliate, and according to you "he would screw me anytime" then that is what you are dealing with. Since you are already linked, then good luck. But if he goes out of business, takes all the RB and goes on vacation, whatever, you are SOOL.

#4 16th March 2011, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fletchdad

I dont have any personal experience in this (BTW, to all who are wondering, this is referring to rakeback deals where the affiliate pays more than the norm (something they do on their own and are NOT supported in this by a poker room) not dealing cards under the table..... or I hope it is anyway lol)

If you google you can find a number of sources of information - like with anything - but AFAIK you are at the mercy of the affiliate, and according to you "he would screw me anytime" then that is what you are dealing with. Since you are already linked, then good luck. But if he goes out of business, takes all the RB and goes on vacation, whatever, you are SOOL.

Well I now like I said he would take money and leave. And its not dealing cards under the table its how you described it.

And I mean I know how it works and stuff with the deal so dont have to google.

Is anyone here having good/bad experience of playing on theese kinds of deals?
I mean its very comon that people get refferd by friends that offer them better then a normal affiliate

and anyone that had bad experience with bigger affiliate sites?

I have manage to be alright but I mean sometimes you hear scary examples

#5 16th March 2011, 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizz3

Well I now like I said he would take money and leave. And its not dealing cards under the table its how you described it.

And I mean I know how it works and stuff with the deal so dont have to google.

Is anyone here having good/bad experience of playing on theese kinds of deals?
I mean its very comon that people get refferd by friends that offer them better then a normal affiliate

and anyone that had bad experience with bigger affiliate sites?

I have manage to be alright but I mean sometimes you hear scary examples

I think the main point here is you have no protection against someone abusing you. Some people have good experiences and some have bad. No one else's story will change whether your affiliate can be trusted or not. You have to go with your gut and any info you have. What you need to find out is anyones experiences with exactly the people you deal with. Look at it like a car mechanic. Just cause your neighbor used one across town who was great. the reliability of the one across the street is totally unaffected by that.

#6 16th March 2011, 2:22 PM

"he would screw me anytime"

Like I said also my enlgish suck

should be "he wouldnt screw me anytime"

But hey thats probl crappy english to

#7 16th March 2011, 5:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizz3

"he would screw me anytime"

Like I said also my enlgish suck

should be "he wouldnt screw me anytime"

But hey thats probl crappy english to

lol, that does make a difference..

#8 16th March 2011, 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizz3

"he wouldnt screw me anytime"

Quote:

Originally Posted by fletchdad

lol, that does make a difference..

It makes a difference to his sexual satisfaction, but we still don`t know about his trustworthiness.

#9 16th March 2011, 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egon Towst

It makes a difference to his sexual satisfaction, but we still don`t know about his trustworthiness.

Haha like I said my english are terrible in writing. Even bad spelling in swedish ROFL. But hey hopefully you understood what I meant

#10 16th March 2011, 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nizz3

Haha like I said my english are terrible in writing. Even bad spelling in swedish ROFL. But hey hopefully you understood what I meant

Your English is fine. Certainly much better than my Swedish

Tak....

#11 16th March 2011, 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fletchdad

Your English is fine. Certainly much better than my Swedish

I concur.

I am reminded of the time I was introduced to a Swedish lady at a party. I speak no Swedish and her English was very basic, so we struggled to make conversation.

She said, "My husband is gone".

I didn`t know whether she meant the poor chap was deceased or that he had gone to get a coffee and, since the appropriate response would be very different in either case, I was a bit stuck as to how to continue.

#12 16th March 2011, 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egon Towst

I concur.

I am reminded of the time I was introduced to a Swedish lady at a party. I speak no Swedish and her English was very basic, so we struggled to make conversation.

She said, "My husband is gone".

I didn`t know whether she meant the poor chap was deceased or that he had gone to get a coffee and, since the appropriate response would be very different in either case, I was a bit stuck as to how to continue.

I spent a bit of time in Sweden. The statement "My husband is gone" basically means, uhhh, well, ......... if you cant be with the one you love, love the one your with......................

I hope you had fun

(soone to be moved to the "We are Swedes lets flame this bastard" thread.......

#13 16th March 2011, 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fletchdad

I hope you had fun

I had an idea that was her meaning. I`m afraid I am content with my wife and have no mind to deceive or disrespect her. So, I said, "Would you excuse me ? I believe I am wanted on the telephone."

Sorry to disappoint.

#14 16th March 2011, 9:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egon Towst

I had an idea that was her meaning. I`m afraid I am content with my wife and have no mind to deceive or disrespect her. So, I said, "Would you excuse me ? I believe I am wanted on the telephone."

Sorry to disappoint.

OMG, I am surprised you got out of there alive.... You have NO IDEA what "I believe I am wanted on the telephone" REALLY means......

Oh, jeez, here I go again with silly, senseless derails...........

(BTW, I did spend time in Sweden, but I think "My husband is gone" really means something like.... my husband is currently existing in a different physical plane then the one in which we presently find ourselves.....

but it COULD mean anything....)

What was this thread about again???? Sorry Nizz

förlåt mig

#15 16th March 2011, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizz3

"he would screw me anytime"

Like I said also my enlgish suck

should be "he wouldnt screw me anytime"

But hey thats probl crappy english to

Your English isn't bad at all, but I did change that one important little word in your first post, as it means all the difference. Welcome to Cardschat!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egon Towst

I had an idea that was her meaning. I`m afraid I am content with my wife and have no mind to deceive or disrespect her. So, I said, "Would you excuse me ? I believe I am wanted on the telephone."

Sorry to disappoint.

Just when I think I couldn't possibly hold you in higher esteem, there you go proving me wrong. Good man, ET, good man.

#16 17th March 2011, 7:01 PM

People keep telling this guy that he is taking a risk dealing with this affiliate, but we also take risks dealing with poker sites. No, I'm not saying they are necessarily going to screw us, just that there's nothing stopping them from doing so. What are we going to do, travel to Gibraltar and hire a Gibraltari lawyer to sue PokerStars if they suddenly say "Sorry, we are just going to close your account and keep all your money because we feel like it." Hardly. So let's not delude ourselves about trust being a huge factor in making any poker deposit in the first place.

In fact, this affiliate who wants to do a special rake deal might be EASIER to sue than PokerStars would be because he isn't located in a foreign Wyatt Earp and Judge Roy Bean territory and doesn't have $100 billion in resources for legal fees.

#17 17th March 2011, 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noname65

PokerStars
affiliate who wants to do a special rake deal .

Apples and oranges .

#18 21st March 2011, 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fletchdad

OMG, I am surprised you got out of there alive.... You have NO IDEA what "I believe I am wanted on the telephone" REALLY means......

Oh, jeez, here I go again with silly, senseless derails...........

(BTW, I did spend time in Sweden, but I think "My husband is gone" really means something like.... my husband is currently existing in a different physical plane then the one in which we presently find ourselves.....

but it COULD mean anything....)

What was this thread about again???? Sorry Nizz

förlåt mig

Inga problem fletchdad!
Jag har varit borta ett tag och inte kollat forumet men kul med lite åsikter. Nice that you talked some about swedes to

#19 24th March 2011, 3:32 AM

I'm assuming by "under the table" deals you are talking about receiving rakeback through an affiliate on a site/network that isn't supposed to allow rakeback deals. You will basically be at the mercy of the affiliate as they can halt/change the deal at any time.

#20 24th March 2011, 1:08 PM

What exactly is the deal?

#21 28th March 2011, 10:50 PM

Well basicly Im getting alot higher rakeback then I would if I had a cashback deal on there. Depending on how much I play but usually like 55% becuase Im a pretty big raker on there

#22 28th March 2011, 10:53 PM

What is the rake on the site?

What is rake on the site capped at?

#23 29th March 2011, 7:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizz3

Well basicly Im getting alot higher rakeback then I would if I had a cashback deal on there. Depending on how much I play but usually like 55% becuase Im a pretty big raker on there

This makes it seem like a VIP deal rather than under the table. There's many smaller sites that give large %'s back if you are a high volume raker. Especially if it depends on your volume, it's very likely legit. As long as the affiliate you are going through is legit, that is.

#24 30th March 2011, 12:00 AM

I think its a privilege given to you by your affiliate. Well, if you are confident that you can rely on your affiliate then go for it. Games online may take many forms and you will have to take different level of risks, but the bottom line is that, "are you earning lot from here?" then if yes, go for it. As long as you are covered by the affiliates rules and regulations, then there is no problem after all.

#25 30th March 2011, 5:38 AM

How difficult is it to get away from an affiliate if you are getting screwed over by them? Are you always just at the mercy of the affiliate? (ie. let's say for example I sign up to a pokersite via a poker forum because they're offering $xx montly freeroll & some 'cash-added' weekly tourney (or something of that nature), then they cease holding these games. Am I left being stuck with them? (unless they agree to let me go?).
I'm not sure how it all works, hence why I'm asking here on this thread.

Also, it kinda sucks for players who are just getting started out online & are completely unaware of the ins & outs (ie. poker forums, etc.), have no clue about the large ass't. of deals out there, rakeback, etc. I know when I first began playing I had no clue (heard about my first poker forum while goofing around in a freeroll on AbsolutePoker) & I immediately signed up on a couple of the bigger/better sites & got stuck with Nothing! (only to discover later that there were a ton of different offers out there).

#26 30th March 2011, 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

How difficult is it to get away from an affiliate if you are getting screwed over by them? Are you always just at the mercy of the affiliate? (ie. let's say for example I sign up to a pokersite via a poker forum because they're offering $xx montly freeroll & some 'cash-added' weekly tourney (or something of that nature), then they cease holding these games. Am I left being stuck with them? (unless they agree to let me go?).
I'm not sure how it all works, hence why I'm asking here on this thread.

Also, it kinda sucks for players who are just getting started out online & are completely unaware of the ins & outs (ie. poker forums, etc.), have no clue about the large ass't. of deals out there, rakeback, etc. I know when I first began playing I had no clue (heard about my first poker forum while goofing around in a freeroll on AbsolutePoker) & I immediately signed up on a couple of the bigger/better sites & got stuck with Nothing! (only to discover later that there were a ton of different offers out there).

This is a very interesting question. There seems to be no way to find out who your affiliate is if you dont know, as is my case. I would also like to know any way to get more information regarding this topic.

#27 30th March 2011, 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fletchdad

This is a very interesting question. There seems to be no way to find out who your affiliate is if you dont know, as is my case. I would also like to know any way to get more information regarding this topic.

Me too, for all the reasons mentioned. I've been wondering about this for a couple of years now and all the paths I've pursued have led to a dead end.

#28 30th March 2011, 8:14 PM

I think it all really depends on the situation. If you trust the guy then go for it because you can make some good money; however, if you feel the risk is worse than 2 to 1 then you are getting bad odds my friend. Just evaluate risk verse reward, opportunity costs, and how much work you will waste if he does screw you and make your decision from there.

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