poker bots and card predictors

ive heard alot of stuff about poker pots and programs that predict the flop and other peoples hold cards. is there any truth to any of this? if im playin legit with my money on these sites and someone is running a program to get an unfair edge it just doesnt seem right. i dont see how it could be true since pros play on sites like full tilt and stuff. wouldnt they be the least bit worried playin high stakes if this was possible? what have you guys heard or know?

Ok all the bots do is tell you bout odds of winning hnds v other possible hnds they are usefull but you can do everything they doo yourself they r pointless really and no no 1 has an edge because of a known bot


Just realised this my 500th post woooohoooo

Well there are poker bots out there. But any sensible player can beat them. I read about a couple of poker bots a while back that were programs written by college students studying Math/Programming or some such area.
Basically they utilize Game Thoery mathmatics to try and come up with the "correct" play. But because of the shortcuts they have to take in the calculations due to time constraints they haven't been overly successful.

As far as a program that shows others hole cards or predicts the flop, I'm pretty sure none of these have been made, or if they have been then they are being used by whomever made them and they likely aren't sharing.

But when you are playing, these things should be the furthest thing from your mind, most likely the only being used against you is an odds calculator, and if you need a program to do that for you, then I'd love to have you at my table

You probably sit at a table and wonder why someone doesn't chat at all, most think "bot" when another player doesn't type anything throughout the game, which isn't the case, the quiet player is sitting and taking notes on the other players betting patterns to get a better read on the table and if your the type of player that chats alot , then you will never know how the other players play certain cards if your not paying attention.
Try this for awhile, if your into ring games and your an average to good player, sit down at a table for a couple of hours and take $ from other players while not typing anything for the whole time your there and I could almost guarantee that someone will say that your a bot(I have been accused of being a bot a few times). It may not happen the first time you try this, it may take 2-5 days of play.
Sorry I'm rambling, my point is that there is no bot sitting at your table and if continue to think that there are bots out there then you will never improve your game if you need improvment........your game has improved already if your taking in all the advice we are offering you here, time for bed, hope these and the following responses help ease your mind.

The only time I get the suspiscion that a bot is at a table is when a betting pattern makes very little sense. Yesterday I was in a tournament at Full Tilt. I had about 3000 in chips, the other guy had a little over 1000.
I had AQ so I raised to 400.
He reraised to 800, I called.
Flop missed me, but I was committed.
He bets 160, I raise to 295 putting him all in.
He folds leaving himself with 135 chips when there are over 2000 in the pot. He gets blinded out the next hand.

When things like that happen, I figure someone is possibly using a bot or some program telling them what to do. I love it, because moves like that make no sense at all to a person, but could to a badly written program.

Bots are very possible but nobody should ever use them because unless you are a programming genious you wont be able to make it effective enough to use. If you are the programming genious then you'll probably be making more profitable programs than 'poker bots'. For programs that show hole cards and stuff...those are all a scam and will never work on even the most generic poker site.

If you do happen to run across a bot you'll know it if your paying attention but it'll be the same as playing against a player that is very easy to read.

I dont think any good poker player would put their trust in a bot program for too long!

I was surfing around on the net one day and came accross a site where people could buy a bot! I couldnt believe it! It also told of a certain site that these bots were allowed to play at, which I had used to play on but kept having amazingly bad luck. Go figure. I dont know if i can name the site, but i will if i can. So i KNOW there are bots out there.
And i would just like to say that the people that actually use these should be ashamed of themselves as well as the site that lets them be used!!

As a software geek, I can tell you for a fact that a "bot" app that watches the card/bet info stream and posts window messages (i.e. button clicks) to the poker site app are indeed possible ....I truly believe I have played against a few on Titan/Nobel....but ONLY on limit games (which makes sense since the call/raise/fold logic is much simpler for limit)..... they are very,very predictable and therefore fairly easy to beat.
Ive seen these "bots" play multiple tables but never, ever lag on calls or raises (I know I can't always keep up when I have three hands I didn't fold at the same time and the action is fast)... I've have had the same player up on four screens, in SB on two of them and his bets came out with the flop on both of them at the same time... something I can't do...I can click ONLY one button in ONE active window at one time...and I need to SEE both flops and THINK first! (and in this situation, the "check boxes" don't help you )

lol...but come to think of it, I'd actually rather play them than the 72os calling stations that hit a set of ducks on the turn & river!

Yep it was CD Poker that allowed the bots and it was on the limit tables i suspected them at

My how little "normal" people understand us software geeks

Of course most of us have REAL jobs making real software...but much like poker, programming can be very, very addicting

I once wrote a program that identified all the prime numbers between 1 and 4294967295....why you ask? simple...i was bored and I could ...hadn't learned/found poker yet....and chess was getting "stale"

I have often been tempted to write a "freeroll bot"...for no other reason then:
a) to prove it could be done
b) because it would be a fun challenge to do so

I could simply let it run on one of my 4+ computers I have running at home and let it see just how well it could do simply for "yeah, I did that once" satisfaction

of course, I preffer to play live...again it's the whole challenge of the quest thing

I did the same and optimised it to ignore even numbers, numbers whose digits where a multiple of nine, and only go as far in the for..next as the square root of the target. Then I decided I wanted to calculate Pi to at least a hundred digits. And then I discovered poker.

I did trial one of these programs in play money NL games. What I found was that it was telling me things like your 91% favourite on the river and, then feeling more confident I would bet only to find the other guy has the nuts. I would never ever use one again.

Unless a bot can cheat by knowing the flop,turn, and river then it is really useless to someone who knows how to play poker. I am just starting out.. what is the fun of having a bot do calculations for you.. you won't ever be good in real life if you rely on computers to calculate odds.