poker on 60 minutes tonight

The 60 minutes story about the online cheating is airing tonight.

It is late - damn football!

60 minutes is on right now, and I just saw the poker promo, so I think its still to come.

Damn my dish is down

It was not exactly earth shattering.

what time?

It just ended. If you have dvr or tivo the show is still on so you can record it.

i missed it? poop!

Heard that it mentioned online poker was illegal in the US. Did it say anything worse? How'd it portray the existing online poker sites?

I saw that program being sold on the internet about 2 years ago, the sites that were mentioned on the program I stopped playing. Funny thing was not only did the guy make money cheating, he made legit money selling the software.

If you play poker and are a member of this site, which you probably do and are because you are reading this! The news story wasn't anything you've probably hadn't heard before. They talked about on AP how an employee was cheating by looking at the hole cards. They also talked about Russ (I don't remember his last name, someone help me out), who won the WSOP many years ago. Russ and up to five of his friends, using mutiple accounts cheated people out of an estimated $20 million.

That's something I've wondered. I'm an honest guy, I would never cheat in poker!!! But how often do you think a team of people will sit down togeather at multiple tables and comunicate what their hole cards are to one another through Instant messaging or something. That would give you a huge advantage if you knew two of your buddies threw away A rag or whatever in a hand, or you could be in a four way pot with two of your buddies and bullie the lone player out. Do you think this happens a lot? How can that type of stuff be stopped?

Basically a non event, not once did they ask any of the online players "do you still play online". Numerous times the stated that online poker is illegal in the US and once in Canada,,,,wrong (except for the certain states). It seemed more concerned that the perpetrators were not prosecuted. I'm assuming the main guy they interviewed was "crazy marco" , he said it could still be going on at any site with more care being taken, personally, I doubt it.

It said online poker was illegal at least 6 times throughout the show lol. Nothing worse was really said - except unfortunately the guy who uncovered this left the impression that this could still be going on at UB and AB - and at other poker sites as well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/
they have some of the story here.

They didn't mention any other sites other then AP and UB. Although, a guy that plays online poker for a living said that you never know if the table you are at is legit, as in poeple could be working together, or the same thing with hole cards could be going on at other sites.

Isn't it strange how mainstream media continues to call online poker illegal, even when discussing the game with high stake online players. If it's illegal, then why hasn't anyone been arrested for playing online?

A rather bland story. I thought it strange that they didn't mention or interview people from other sites, especially the two biggest sites-FT,PS. They also acted like the Kahnawake Gaming Commission was the only game in town. Too bad they didn't say how other countrys allow and regulate online poker. It would have been nice to hear from PS or FT about security and how they keep there sites liget.

Did anyone watch the 60 minute special tonight on online gambleing? If not here is the link http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4639016n

This is false. There was no program, it was a hole in the original code that was exploited. No one sold software and no software can view hole cards.

As to the OP, the obvious problem with this is that it deters the casual gambler, ie the money source of online poker. If fish stop depositting, poker gets less and less profitable to the point where it is impossible to beat the rake.

There is already a thread started on this, http://www.cardschat.com/f13/poker-6...onight-135411/

Well, it said to the affect that online poker is illegal in the US but the law cannot be enforced because the servers are off-shore. I took that like they were saying that running an online poker site was illegal in the US, but they didn't say playing it was.

Also, Dan Druff said that cheating like this could be still going at other sites by people that aren't greedy enough to get caught. CBS saved that for last and I think that statement hurt worse than any of the other things that were said.

Overall, sure it was bad. But I thought this report would be a lot worse than it was. My opinion: Pretty weak on the "bad for online poker" scale.

With that worthless slimeball Bush confirming restrictions on banks for the UIGEA this is not the kind of show we as poker players needed. Anything that shows up online poker as potentially bad is detrimental to all sites since all sites have had or will have some type of cheating going on. It goes on in brick and mortar casinos too.

It's all old news, nothing new so why show it now? Why didn't they do the show back when the news was fresh? I think it's all got to do with the US gambling companies keeping this story out as if it were still happening.

What surprised me most of all was the comment, "the shady world of online poker". Does Bush the loser control CBS ? If his family was involved like they are in the oil biz, the US might be at war with countries that outlaw online poker. Geez, he must be the only president who broke all the commandments, admited he did not "covet his neighbours wife" he did however screw his country for his own benefit.

lol if you think Bush/Republicans are the only corrupt politicians that want power over freedom and if you think Fox News is the only biased news station, you've got some things to learn. The media's there to make money. CBS doesn't give a shit about our right to play poker and neither do the majority of Democrats.

Russ Hamilton

I concur, but the arrogant prick didn't make a secret of it. btw, I need no lessons in the topic of corruption of politico's, you only have to ask yourself the question, "why should I spend millions to get elected to a position that pays thousands"? As for the news channels, you can only believe the time and date of the transmission, the rest is for you to decide. I remember when Bush was pres elect and Rick Mercer ( a canadian comedian ) told him that the Canadian Gov and Prime Minister Tim Horton congratulated him on winning and his response was, " I thank the Canadian PM and look forward to working with him". Tim Horton ( for those who don't know ) is an ex baseball player who was also screwed over but is now the leading name in Canadian coffee and doughnut shops.

To those not familiar with poker online, it made the whole industry sound like a big scam. My husband is all freaked out now and wonders why I don't have a "more normal hobby." They could have balanced it out with some opinions from known poker players who play online, and the fact that regulation within the US (and Canada - they also said it was illegal there) would go a long way toward making it less of a "shadowy world," as they put it.

for anyone that missed it, the segment is posted on the CBS News website :

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4639016n

You'd think they would be running pretty low on news stories if they spent 13 minutes on people cheating at online poker when apparently nobody is supposed to be playing to begin with. Not to mention all of it was old news anyway.

This story has been in the works for some time. I believe that it was announced as a 'future' story some time ago. These are 'static' stories that can easily be replaced week-to-week by 'current event' coverage of specific interest to a wider audience.

It may be 'old news' to many of us in forums and poker discussion groups. Counting up the largest forum memberships, they probably don't total a million members, and a lot of those are crossovers who belong to several forums and members who are not really 'active'. Online players 60 minutes estimated at 500,000 AT ONE TIME. Stars alone claims over 9 million members total. Even though this story broke over a year ago, there are still players in forums who post to a 'scandal' thread claiming "this is the first I've heard of it, tell me more."

We all know the sites operate offshore and are not subject to U.S. law. I knew they were located in countries like Costa Rica, but was NOT aware that the physical computer banks for some 60 (SIXTY) online poker sites were housed inside the Kahnawake Gaming Commission building. Talk about hiding the chickens in the wolf's house....

well was not as interesting as i thought it would be, we all knew most of what was said,, was still not a good image for poker,, anyone who missed it and wants to see it can go to,,, cbs.com or washingtonpost.com and see it, at least thats what they said at the end, supposed to be a video there about the program,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, buck

60 Minutes has made a career of making the normal appear shady.
My wife got ticked at me after about 10 minutes of me telling her that we already knew everything they said more than a year ago.

It was mainly about Absolute Poker mainly I heard anyways. I missed it myself which really sucks because I wanted to see it. I am sure it will be on again though if not you can watch it online. http://www.cbs.com/thunder/player/th...vnAKrCgr5ztted