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  Poker - PKR - BAD BEAT OVERDOSE
 
  #36  
23-06-2008, 12:12 AM
MetraDynamix
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Hmm

Then you have missed the point.

You must be in Orbit view, and once the cards are dealt and the avatars look at them and place them down on the table. That's when the patterns occur, the second that they place them down on the table.

It is very obvious in Orbit view if you position your view to see the whole table.
 

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  #37  
23-06-2008, 3:30 AM
Monoxide
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Dude that could easily be a graphics glitch, if thats what you are basing it on.

I tried with orbit view but could not see anything out of the norm....in no way could the cards/graphics intermingle to show a greater chance of winning by the way they "glitch" or whatnot thats just ridiculous.
  #38  
24-06-2008, 1:06 AM
MetraDynamix
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Huhuh

Then you are blind or ignorant, potentially both. What can we do, if you refuse to see reality there is nothing that i can do. Others see it, and have agreed that there is definitely some type of pattern involved here.
  #39  
24-06-2008, 1:20 AM
D'wilius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetraDynamix
Then you are blind or ignorant, potentially both. What can we do, if you refuse to see reality there is nothing that i can do. Others see it, and have agreed that there is definitely some type of pattern involved here.
I change my vote for MOTM
  #40  
24-06-2008, 3:58 AM
pokerrqueenn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D'wilius
I change my vote for MOTM
lol
  #41  
04-10-2008, 4:24 PM
Don_Nouri
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Guys i wanna bump this topic.

I also think PKR is rigged or at least to call Un-Natural. I played there for a long time and had my share in winnings. But i always had the feeling there was something fishy.

Now since i been playing other sites as Pokerstars and Full Tilt i came to the conclusion that i never ever had the feeling it was unnatural and with PKR i get this all the time.

It is because of the things mentioned before. It's so many many many times that the massive UNDERDOG hits his card on the turn or river. Mostly on river. Now i come to post here cause it happend to me a lot again in the last 2 days. NOw in this tournament some dude who didnt know how to play at all and he was only fishing. And what do u think? I see him 3 or 4 times call all-ins with crap and hit on the river. Which the last one was vs me. This dude is the chip leader on the table.

Now i know how to play good poker really. And when i play on Full Tilt its just normal. YOu get bad beats now and then but thats poker.

Also on PKR it happens i get NO hand for like 45 minutes...NO JOKE

45 minutes of 3,9 j,4 3,6 etc etc etc. Now this also never happens to me IRL or at Full Tilt. I mean how can i play poker when i get absolute nothing not even suited connectors for 45 min?

What someone mentions above about the glitch i never noticed and seems very unlikely to me.

But that PKR is unnatural poker software is 100% clear for me.
  #42  
04-10-2008, 4:35 PM
Egon Towst
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Oh, goody. Let`s go around again, because that`s what we really like.

Refer to post #29 in this thread, please, and provide evidence as requested.
  #43  
04-10-2008, 6:39 PM
kschuster
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how exactly do these poker sites manage their "random" card drawing generators??
  #44  
04-10-2008, 6:44 PM
Egon Towst
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The reputable sites have independent auditors check their systems for fairness and randomness. This (for example) is the certificate displayed on Titan`s website:


RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR

Titan Poker's software, developed and maintained by Playtech, uses a true random number generator to ensure total game integrity.
Playtech's gaming software carries an official Certificate of RNG Evaluation from Technical Systems Testing (TST), an internationally recognized and respected Accredited Testing Facility (ATF). TST has been working with industry operators, suppliers, manufactures and regulators to ensure that gaming products operate in a manner that is fair, secure and auditable and comply with some of the world's most stringent and comprehensive legislative and regulatory requirements.
TST laboratories provide fully independent and impartial testing and certifications for industry operators, suppliers, manufactures and regulators. TST analyzes system software and equipment, and the environments in which they operate, against manfacturer's specifications, legislative and regulatory requirements, and to generally accepted industry standards.
TST's services are delivered by a multi-disciplined team of trained computer scientists, engineers, mathematicians and information systems auditors, possessing first hand knowledge and experience in today's leading edge technologies. TST provides an impartial service that is renowned for its probity and fair dealing. It is a common belief that total impartiality of a testing facility is paramount in ensuring an unbiased evaluation.
  #45  
05-10-2008, 8:52 PM
Dagon7
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sorry for beating a dead horse

The software is fine, the interface is great, I used to play PKR all the time.
Why did I stop? Same reason, too many times I would get sucked out by some jerk who would then hit the laugh his As off button multiple times. The following is full of generalizations so please don't think I'm out to offend

The flaws are
1. PKR is a much more international crowd vs. Poker Stars or Full Tilt, I'm not sure if they allow US players now, but I know they didn't when I was active, therefore the players are not saturated by poker constantly, they dont watch poker after dark, WPT or even come to a place like a cards chat so they don't neccasarily know that A6 is not a great hand pre flop in a table with 10 players so they are much more likely to call or or go all in so you with AK are subject to a chop or the other player not hitting his 6.

2. Because of the animated avitars people are much more likely to play emotionaly, I know the clucking chicken would put me on tilt every now and again. so how can you gauge solid play when half the time people are acting on impulse?

3. PKR is more of a video game than a poker room, you can make money but it's just too eratic to build a BR so just go, deposit 10 bucks in quarters and have some fun, then switch to full tilt and build your roll.
  #46  
05-10-2008, 9:16 PM
Egon Towst
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You may be right, Dagon. I would be inclined to agree that PKR has a higher percentage of weak players than (for example) Full Tilt.

I accept your point that this makes the play erratic, and therefore variance may be higher.

I think you will agree, however, that over the long run it must be preferable (more profitable) to play against inept opponents ?
  #47  
05-10-2008, 9:37 PM
Dagon7
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It's like it says in your sig. sophisticated plays against unsophisticated players....
but I may be too weak myself to resist busting the guy calling me a chicken when he's moved all in pre flop and I'm looking at AK. I also find it easier to focus on the game with less superfluous stimuli and it's less frustrating when your AK is busted by QQ than A rag. I wasn't able to go to far on PKR but that may be more of a reflection of my own faults, my main point is that when you get called with a wider range of hands, the pattern of seemingly bad beats will emerge, and that the interface may induce a more eratic style of play than most.
  #48  
05-10-2008, 10:32 PM
RickH2005
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Geez! I get beat onna regular onna Riv, or by better cards being dealt to my opponant. It's not because the sites are set up to give the under dog better cards (rigged) and it's not because I play bad poker, 'cuz I don't (not great--I'm really just a beginner!). It's just---'That's the way it goes'-- Call it whatever you want--Luck--Variance--Whatever--You're not going to win every hand every time! No matter WHAT site you play at!
  #49  
05-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Monoxide
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There is no "pattern" of bad beats, you are creating the patterns with your brain, such things do not exist.

Its just mind boggling how some of you think internet poker differs from real poker.
  #50  
05-10-2008, 10:36 PM
Monoxide
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Nouri
Also on PKR it happens i get NO hand for like 45 minutes...NO JOKE

45 minutes of 3,9 j,4 3,6 etc etc etc. Now this also never happens to me IRL or at Full Tilt. I mean how can i play poker when i get absolute nothing not even suited connectors for 45 min?
wat.

Ive gone card dead at the casino for over 4 hours before. 45 minutes is bad? You are not a poker player. You lack patience my young apprentice.

Dont bullshit people, your sample size is pathetic.
  #51  
05-10-2008, 10:43 PM
Dagon7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monoxide
There is no "pattern" of bad beats, you are creating the patterns with your brain, such things do not exist.

Its just mind boggling how some of you think internet poker differs from real poker.
I know there is no pattern in the software, I'm just saying that you will get beat more by A6 if people call more with A6, be it the casino, friends house or online.
  #52  
06-10-2008, 4:23 PM
Don_Nouri
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monoxide
wat.

Ive gone card dead at the casino for over 4 hours before. 45 minutes is bad? You are not a poker player. You lack patience my young apprentice.

Dont bullshit people, your sample size is pathetic.
Could be for you, but i never experienced something like that. I've had it for like a while but not like one hour. I'm talking about the ultimate crap hands 6,2-j,4-10,2-9,3-8,3-8,2 well u get my point..
  #53  
17-12-2008, 2:33 AM
tiger
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it does sound like the 'heartstopper' situation as described here for scratchcards: http://www.camh.net/egambling/issue7...atchcards.html
  #54  
17-12-2008, 3:21 AM
almostfamous1003
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If they don't show you the muck history something just ain't right.
I have never played there , does'nt sound lik ei want to either
  #55  
17-12-2008, 9:23 AM
James Godfrey
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Its not often that I say a poker room is rigged, but I used to play on PKR, and I have said it for a long time, this poker room is flawed.

When players are behind they seem to hit their 1 or 2 outers a lot of the time.

I have left this site well alone, its hard to make money off (due to the slow hand/hour).
  #56  
27-12-2008, 5:30 AM
2012
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Smells like bullshit to me a lot of site have this played many sites and a lot of them have something fishy.....the same things keep happening over and over and if you win too much it must go back to other players and your AA and KK will many times be second best ....they always catch up with you happend soo many times i stopped for 5 months now i am with another site poker heaven and it goes good now,so let's hope it's stays that way....gr tim
  #57  
27-12-2008, 5:38 AM
Pothole
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All I can say about this site is, play deal or no deal for ANY stake and if the top amount is still in play after the 1st round, the "offer" is greater than your stake. So take it and start again, easy money.
 



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