opinions on this fifty50 new games on ps?

Just wonder what you think and if you think its profitable?

They are $1.11 (11c rakefor standard and 8c rake for turbos)

It seems like double or nothing, 10 players, top five get paid but you're only actually getting back your buy-in.

You then get 3c for each 100 chips you have. So to actually break even in terms of double or nothing and get $2.00 back you would have to have 3333chips...

Doesn't seem at all profitable to me really..aren't double or nothings more profitable?..I don't play double or nothing btw, they don't really interest me. The only reason the fifty50 might get my interest is because they probarly wont be as nitty as DON.

Whats everyones opinions?

To actually make a profit you'd only need to finish top 5 and have a stack of 400 chips but even then you're only making 3cents profit lol.

To be honest, they seem one of the worse formats out there, possibly even worse than DON games..It wouldn't be so bad if you could play to the end. It's just after 6th place is eliminated the game ends. I mean if you "won" it and took first place which would be better.

I just played a few of the one dollar turbo ones and it's pretty easy to turn a nice profit. Have made over 2 bucks a few times already.

I don't know if they're better then the DONs or not in terms of profit, but they definitely aren't as slow paced. People are actually trying to get some chips so there's a little more action.

Here's a nice suckout I had lol

I raise KK to 3BB

Guy shoves, I call.

He had AA, I flop quads...

Has anyone played these yet?

They're set up like the double-or-nothings, but winnings are based on finishing stacks. Do you think this will loosen up some of the play, unlike the super-tight play at the dons? Also, would it be more profitable to play these over the dons?

Kinda interesting. They still end when half the field is gone, but then they calculate the percentage of the total chips you have, and reward you based on that. It will make for some crazy ICM calculations, but I can't say for sure if it's more profitable than DON's or not.

I can't see it being at all to be honest when thinking about it. At least with DON you could well have 10 stack size and get double your money back ($2) With these fifty50 games, for you to just break EVEN like double or nothing and get $2 back for finishing in the top 5 you're going to have to have 3333 chips. At least in DON you can finish with 5 chips and get double your money back, these fifty50 games you're going to haveto finish with 3333 everytime to just double your money back which is less likely.

i played 1 i doubt ill i got back $1.67 i doubt ill be playing anymore

They only have NLHE right now? I will most likely give one a shot just to see. Not expecting to make this my new format though.

They fill up fast so i bet PS is loving the new found rake

I like the fact that chips are actually worth money now. Incentive to do better and not just finish top 5

I just came in 4th for 1.44 (profit 33c) and the winner received 3.77 (profit 2.66)

For 3 cents more (1.11 reg vs 1.08 turbo) I cant see why anyone would play the turbos instead of the reg spedd

I guess if they made these in PLO I might try them more often.

In the DoN games i always felt like you needed a double up early in order to ensure you would make top five. With this it is an absolute must if you plan on making that double up to $2 happen.

I think playing these while they are new is going to be the most profitable. I am gonna go try another one.

I think it is fair to say these are being played loose..... 30/60 Blinds UTG goes all (900 chips) in I re raise to isolate with AKh UTG shows A6o. of course they hit a flush runner runner and am left with less than 100 chips.

Observer chat turned off so don;t even think about steaming at these bad beats.

I'd imagine these wouldn't be very profitable in the long run.

You would have to play a very mixed game. I imagine someone that is able to change their play style will do pretty good at these.

Yeah but they would also do pretty good in more profitable non retarded games.

One, people will play the turbos to grind more games.

PS changed the blinds increase form regDoN's for 10min to 6 min and from 5 to 3 min for the turbos. The reg 50fifty will play like a turbo anyway with 6 min blinds.

meh...I did ok. The only really decent hand I had was A,Ko but I had no takers when I raised it preflop. I was still able to finish 4th so I'll take that I guess...

I just tried one of the $1.11 ones, and ended up tieing for first but got 2.34 and the other guy 2.33!! lol They are similar to the DoN's I guess, but I don't realy try the DoN's much. I think these would be a little bit looser, as people are trying to figure them out, than the DoN's. I think when they introduce a new structure like this, than a bunch of people try it just for fun.. so it can be an easy way to make some money while people don't really know what they are doing yet. I felt like I had to double up early and try to get a nice stack, which I did, but ended up losing the lead a few times vs short stacks during coin flips.. and made an OK profit I guess. I think I might try a turbo and see if the play is any different, hopefully a little bit loser. They really don't seem too much different than a DoN except the fact that you might play looser at the beginning trying to make that extra 3 cents per 100 chips, but i think u still want to try and double early in a DoN... so i dunno

Oh and the first 2 people that went out had lost a hand and than just started pushing trying to double or bust, which seems like you could KO them if u wake up with a nice hand when they are trying to hang in there..

Interesting... I guess it does make sense that once you get crippled you're gonna get desperate to get more chips. I also think that there is gonna be more action around bubble time, since the players in the 3-5 range are gonna try to make some more money. These will also probably not run as long as the dons, since more people will fight for chips instead of waiting for the big stacks to knock out bubble-boy.

Yeah I think the bubble seemed to last extra long, because yeah I did try to gain extra chips.. and I ended up doubling a shorty and so did some others who seemed to want to gain some extra chips. I actually was chip leader before we were on the bubble, than got the shortest guy all in with like A7 on the BB with me on the button or SB with like KJs or something and he ended up winning with high card. So I think I passed around chips a few times, as did others trying to KO the SS's on the bubble. BUT on the other hand... I had a couple hands with the other guy who was in a lead like me and he just check/fold to me like he knew he didn't wanna get in a spot with someone who could take him out, or severely cripple him. I lost half my chip stack maybe 2 times, but it was always to a 3bet all in from a SS who seemed to be pushing with A7 or even 1 time K8s. I did open-raise from LP a lot since I had a bigger stack, but would fold if I had too..

Yeah the micro ones seem pretty soft.. I just tried 2 of the turbo 1.08's at the same time and got 1st & 2nd... seems like there not too much different than a DoN, as I said before. In one a guy like tripled or quaded up to 9300 chips and i was in second with 1850 chips and only got $1.62, and in the one I got first I only won 2.38.

What would happen if everyone went all in the first hand and 1 person won all the chips in that hand? Would it use the hand rankings somehow to distribute the winnings?! or would it just give 2-5th 1$, 1st $6, and 5-10 would be determined by the 5 worst hands?! or what?

try playing for real money instead of just $1, u guys shouldve had a good sized roll by now (looking at the time uve been studying the forums). then u can beat the rake easier. and u sure wont need at least 3333 chips to double ur buyin then. u will get sucked out on more in the lower stakes ones, but in a bigger one, if u can see who the good players are and who the bad players are u can change ur play accordingly. im doing ok so far, but maybe just cause i had one big win in a $50 one. played around from $5 to $50 and am up about $110 last 2 days. am actually playing from my hospital bed at umc in vegas.

I only had $1.75(big balla!!) in my account when I decided to play my first one of these earlier this evening.. post count has nothing to do with size of bankroll.. or does it?!
I was just trying this new game for fun anyway tbh, and was just giving my input...if I was buying into $50 SnG's...it def would not be DoN's or the new fifty50's..lol that's for sure.
So tell us how the $50 ones are? How is the play in em?

well my sample size is small (played 2 of them). did much better in them than any others, cashed out $196 in one of the $50s. lost the 1 $100 one i played, id say it was MUCH tougher. the $10 $20 and $50 seem about the same, and the $5 pretty easy. am only up about $37 total for playing, which is a lot less than min wage, but its giving me something to do since im laid up in the hospital. ive kind of been moving around martingaling tables, but since i keep winning the $5s and start over when i when, most of the ones i played were $5s. was up $158 once.

u wouldnt think the entire forum would be playing $1 ones. unless theres a lot of broke players here, or ones who dont take their game too serously. i take mine seriously but when i get back out of the hospital ill be playing live $1-2 NL with about a $4-5k roll and i need to save my money to play live cash, dont want to tie up $500 on pokerstars instead of the $100 i deposited from the hospital.

also i dont like to multitable (guess thats why i prefer to go to the casino and play live). i wonder how much better someone would do if they played many tables at once?

I like that better than double up games, too bad Carbon don't have those.

Currently playing my first one. I would think the need to win double in these wouldnt be as great if your ITM is bigger. If we can place most of the time, even a small win will be okay, and the big wins will really help things along.

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Now I just lost. My AA lost to A9 crippled me on the bubble, then out 2 hands later

Just played my first one of these this morning. It was definitely looser and more action than a DON. Faster, for sure. And with a premium to the most chips, it makes the game more fun than a DON.

I like fun.

I also liked ending in #2 spot and doing better than doubling.

So, basically, it's a bit safer than a regular SNG since 5 places pay, and potentially more lucrative than a DON, unless you can't accumulate chips. In which case, less lucrative than a DON.

So really they have gone to hyper turbos? This could make it more interesting although I'm still not a fan of the getting only your buy-in back. I can't see how this can ever be profitable? Even a really good player would struggle to make money on these woulden't they? At least if you cash in DON you get exactly 100% back. These you just get your buy-in back and have to have a stack of 300+ to just break even. Added vairence and so on, I think they are made twice as difficult to turn over a profit as in DON or am I missing something? Even if you got very lucky and stacked off knocking several people out, you're only going to be making maybe double your buy-in back at the very best of times lol. At least in DON you know you're going to have the best of it by doubling up several times, definetly a money loser in my eyes these games.

I think you're definitely missing something. The prize pool is the same and being split between the same amount of people. For every cent that you don't make, someone else does.

I think very good players, ones who will cash more often than not, will also hold more chips than 3k (or whatever the 2 buyin payout amounts to) chips more often than not. As long as you can meet both of those criteria, this will be more profitable for you than the dons.

Basically if you wind up with 2x starting chips or more most times, you'll earn more per fifty50 then a DoN. If, on the other hand you most often just survive, then you're better off with a DoN.

Have not tried the 50/50's yet, but reading over this thread today got me interested in the D or N's. I played 10 PL Omaha $1.10 and won 9 and I think I will be playing these some more in the future. I can play up to about 4 at a time because I am playing tight by my standards. I stuck with only premium hands and would play some strong hands from the CO or Button. Sometimes the blinds would pressure me a bit but I didn't let it deter me from my sit back strategy. I would look for a good steal or double up oppourtunity if things got a bit desperate.

What I read in this post about 50/50's, I think I will be more inclined to play the D or N's.

Just heard about these did a few sets.I'll play about 50-100 more of these tonight or tommorow an see if there worth it to me.

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No, the prize pool isn't. I mean the total's will work out roughly the same but if you come in top 5 of DoN you are guranteed $2.00. To consistently come in top 5 and gain a good ROI is quite difficult because of the regs.

Now, with that in mind. You now not only have to finish in the top five in these new ones, but you MUST have 3300 JUST to make "Double" back. So as I say the new games can't possibly be more profitable in cashing and turning over a better ROI. You can finish with 100 chips in 5th place in DON and gain as much as 1st would with 6000 chips.

You're more likely to finish consistently in the top 5 than to finish in the top5 WITH 3300 chips..

How often can you exepect to come in the top 5 let alone to have 3300 chips minimum left in your stack? It seems twice as hard to me!!

The reason this "might" be better in terms of ROI is what i'm seeing people are going crazy tring to get chips quickly.This might change once there is a better understanding of the game.Most people have figured out how to play DON's which make them tougher to cash in + rake makes for very small ROI.My point here is if the 50\50 are much easier to cash in doesn't matter if you do not always double your money but you make profit none the less.
Does this make sense?