The New MATRIX Tournaments at FULL TILT

This came up today... with the new software update....

I don't know, I checked them out... and I don't like them...

I think they are geared towards the MTT junkies... you know those guys that play 4 or 5 tournaments or ring games at the same time...

What do you think of them?

Where are these?

I couldnt see them.

go to the Sit-n-GOs Section... and you'll see them there...

i just played a $1 one. i didnt like it at all. too hard to figure out whats what. not enough time to make a decision.

Hmmmmmm weird, ill have to try a $5 one or something to test what they are all about, I read it but I just dont get it really.

Im sure it will click once I try it. (Its weird the $22 ones have a 1st place prize of $17? lol)

I take it you have never multitabled before? Its really easy. You get 4 chances to cash with 1 buyin. If you can beat all 4 tables you win all 4 1st prizes. Its a cool thing you play all 4 tables against the same opponents. I like it!

Sounds interesting, might give it a shot- thanks for info!

I dont think these will be a hit.
for instance if you play 1-- 2.25 sng and take 1st you win $9

if you play 1-- 2.25 matrix you have to win 1st in all 4 tables and 1st in the matrix to win $9

where as you play in 4 -- 2.25 sng and win first in all 4 you win $36

waste of time IMO

they seem interesting and i wouldnt look at it as the way u are looking at it, ur really paying 2.25 for 4 games so its really like 55c games

I think this may be a good way for some to learn how to multi-table inexpensively.

What happen when you suckout on somebody and then you're still playing with them in 3 tourneys? Uncomfortable!

Just played one of the $1 games for the hell of it... and it reminded me in fairly short order why I hate multi-tabling STTs: the bubble.

Trying to juggle four bubbles all at once is kinda a nightmare. I doff my cap to those that can pull it off. I ended up with a third, two fourths and a fifth, and got rolled right at the last minute for third in the matrix when the only guy that could beat my score sucked out and came back from a massive deficit to win the final match. So that's $1.25, for a total return of 36c. Awesome.

It was kinda fun, but I dunno if they'll be a regular part of my schedule.

For those looking to use them to learn to multitable, BTW, I wouldn't bother unless you're specifically looking to multi-table SnGs. You might eventually learn to juggle short tables, full tables, short stacks, big stacks and bubbles all at once, but do you really need to worry about that if you're looking to play cash games?

There is an upside and a down side to these.

Downside: You are multi-tabling and are unable to put full focus into the game

Upside: You get a better read on players, thus allowing you to make better judgements at the other tables in that matrix game.

Downside to the Upside: The fact that you are multi-tabling extinguishes the thought of being able to get good reads on players unless you are very good at following multiple games at once

So if no one has any idear as to what i am trying to say here it is in a nutshell.....They stink and i don't like them

Jokish

ROFL - agree with the downside to the upside. Normally I'd finish up a STT with a decent picture of the way my opponents play. In this game, I think I managed to peg one or two players as "conservative" and that was about it. I really didn't feel like I had any meaningful reads.

Mostly I think they're just a laugh or to draw in casual players. I definitely can't see many people giving up their regular profitable games to play these

lmao, i think i will stay with the Sit&gos

Sounds a little bit like duplicate poker....thanks for reporting; I'll pass tyvm

I played one, I've had enough. Didn't completely understand the structure going in, bubbling two was not good. Lost .50 on $1+ buyin. The KOs and Survival points only count towards 1/5 the buyin, the rest is just regular sngos. One guy owned my matrix, won across the board.

Can only see this as good option for people who have won a few $ playing a freeroll and want to play the lowest stakes they can...or I guess higher stakes if someone thinks they have a competitive advantage while multitabling.

Ugh! Not worth it. I palyed in a 1.25 Matrix tonight. First, the 25% rake-ouch! Second, the return is not good. I placed 2,3,3,5 on the tables and won a whole cent. Second is .54,third was .36 for a total of 1.26. Less then 1% ROI. If I played 4-1.25 sng and placed the same I would have won net 1.30 for 26% ROI. Just don't see how these can be profitable.

They got the name all wrong, Should be called the HOOVER, they got more suction than one..........

I tried one, mainly to try 4 tables for cheap. I have a hard time concentrating properly with two tables when it gets short-handed.

How can you get a proper read on your opponents when that darn chime's ringing every few seconds? So everyone's playing the cards, or just light 3-betting, and it's a zoo.

I was the only player who placed in 3 of the 4 tables (2nd, 3rd 3rd) and I won.... 1 cent!

One other player placed 1st & 3rd, and he made... 1 cent!

I'll never do that again. Whew. Never knew so much stress.

I went back & checked, and the rake's even more than that. They list the buy-in for each table as $.20. What happened to the other .05? Does that go to the "Dominatrix" or highest point scorer? From reading the rules, sounds like you have to win all 4 tables to get that extra $.20.

Did anyone get the highest score, and did you get an extra $.20?

Erm... no, the prize pool adds up. For a $1 game, 20c of your buy-in goes to the prize pool of each of the four games, and the last 20c goes to the Matrix prize pool.

(4*0.2) + 0.2 = 1

The 25c rake goes to Full Tilt same as if you'd played a regular $1.25 SnG.

Seriously, unless you really want some cheap practice at multi-tabling SnGs these are awful. As others have pointed out, you've gotta go to great lengths just to make your money back. There's something to be said for the awful standard of play in them, but you'd have to have a gargantuan edge to be able to offset it compared to a real game.

I tried a 1.25 for the heck of it

I don;t think multi on SnG is a good idea especially when you are on the bubble at all four. Most people I would assume multi at cash games. That way there is always 6 or 9 people in there.

I noticed a few times when a blind steal attempt was made against me just to see if I was there at the table.

Here are my results

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I don't like it at all. I played it just to try it out and it gave me a headacke..lol... I have a 12'' laptop, so you can imagine the size of the tables I had to look at...
But besides that, it's a waste of time, because at the end, you can barely make your money back...

I just played this for the first time. I got 2 first place finishes, one third place, and first in the overall. Even with all the good finishes this does not seem to be very profitable. It was real fun though!

yeah these are great i think, if you just play by the book, your gonna get chips in ahead. whenever you r running really badly. You play in these. I mean you have to have very bad luck to not get some of your buyin back somewhere, if your ever bored, or been running bad best thing to play in i think. just finished , 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, in a 6 handed one....finished 3rd overall COME ON.
Talk about a bad spot though, trying to play 3 heads up games at once, and 3 handed game. All i heard was BEEP every other second.

i think yeah if you play the $1 like you guys said, your gonna run into a lot of bad players and your not gonan win much money. but if you move up to say $5.50 6 handed. u cash in 2 (winning one) and you made a profit already. if your gonna play em, better move to 5 dollars atleast.

the way they put it its ok but u never now until u go for it i played multitables at carbon and even 4 of them and its not that easy,only my opinion

Alright I said I'd had enough, but I kept playing them...and losing overall(mostly to the rake) I found them annoying and addictive at the same time. I wanted to do better but I'm no good at single table NLHE in the first place. Now they have added HORSE and I had the same summary as O_o

Playing a game I was decent at made it much more enjoyable I think I'll keep playing these starting at $2 and move up the stakes after a few good results.

Yep, these are fun and challenging. If you are a good multi tbler, you'll kick butt. I am okay at Multi tblin and have had a 1st overall and a 2nd. BabyNut took two 1st and a 2nd overall. I goes fast. Everyone should at least give it a go at the lower levels.
It's actually kind of funny because some people finish with 3- 9th place finishes and an 8th. Those who do place, usually place in several. Fun concept. Check it out. Have some fun and don't worry about plus or minus a .20 rake!

This is the thing though - if you just played two regular SnGs and cashed in them, you'd have made a much bigger profit.

After a brief moment of thought, I figure these are mostly just a rake-generation gimmick for Full Tilt. Rather than having three people take the money, they spread the prize pool very thin over almost the whole field.

So some people book a small loss, play more games on their way to going broke and pay more rake along the way. Others book a small win, but it'll take them more games to win the same amount they would in a regular SnG, which once again means more rake.

Absolutely, rake-city, churn, churn, churn...just like a bowling alley; gotta keep those lanes occupied, rent those shoes.

If you must have the "excitement" of a matrix, you just run 3 or 4 SnGs at once and no need to deal with an insane prize structure. There would be a fairly large lag getting 4 regular SnGs going at once with any game other than HE NL but then, of all the games, the matrix structure is perhaps the least attractive for HE NL.

I've never played more than two tables at a time, but I played the matrix 3 times and placed 1st twice and 2nd once. You earn 2 points for knocking people out, and 1 point for everyone you outlast. You do have to decide fast. If you got it bet it, if not fold and move on. Try it you just might get lucky.

I got the info in my email about it.. never gave a try, forgot abpout it lo... will go and give a try as I red the post and remembered about it lmao..