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I dont like to say online poker is rigged, but I have been playing on Doyles Room which i on microgaming for the past 4 months, and made a steady profit however, this past few weeks I have started noticing thing which seem a little out of the ordinary. Anyone who plays on Microgaming's Poker Network, please post you experiences of things you see regularly. Here a few things which I see on a regular basis:

1. Two outers hitting on the river, especially if the higher chip stack has the two outs.

2. The flop revealing a pair when two or more players have pocket pairs.

3. JJ and 99 being dealt out in the same hand.

4. AA and KK being dealt out in the same hand.

5. AA and AK being dealt out in the same hand, plus the flop comeing K high.

If anyone notices these please post, as I am a little concerned about the network.

On top of the, on the lobby click menu, then click on Independant Reviews, Doyles Room had it last audit report in December 2007, when was your poker rooms last audit?

Thanks

JamesGodfrey

How long have you been taking notes? Are you making a spread sheet of every hand you play? I would adventure to say you are over looking a lot and only paying attention to a few hands. Correct me if I'm wrong these cards come out on a random number generator???? It would be like saying you are knowing what,s going to hit on a slot machine.

James - you are going to get chewed up and spit out for starting yet another "online poker looks rigged" thread without any proof or data to back it up.

I have been considering coming an account at Doyle's room. I'm not going to let this post stop me. You are only taking a very short term view.

Over how many hands is this. Sure those are suspicious.... if they happen all back to back. You can't just sit down and play a session and at the end look at the ONE thing that may have been unlucky (ie overpairs on your pp) Or A King coming out on the flop (which isn't even odd) when someone is holding KA vs someones AA.

It looks like your grasping at straws

the problem is you are all saying that I am wring blah blah.... but the thing is, when doyles room hasnt been audited since December 2007, it does make you wonder

These things are happening literally one tournament after another....

jolubman said:

I have been considering coming an account at Doyle's room. I'm not going to let this post stop me. You are only taking a very short term view.

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Nor should you let this post stop you!

I sincerialy hope this claim is backed up by either:
1,000+ tournaments
or
50,000+ ring hands.

Join any poker site and you'll see the same stuff happen so get used to it or stop playing.

AAAAaarrrrrgggggg..........

MAN!! For the gazillionth time---NO! I DON'T think Doyes'is rigged OR FT OR UB OR PS!! There's a such a thing as 'Variance' and you will not win ALLA time at ANY site!! Geez! You hit a BAD RUN! That's all!! IT HAPPENS!! (Why are these 'Rigged' threads even allowed!?

Heres a bit of evidence:

Look at these suck outs/set ups and the time between them:

** Hand # 2219804557 starting - 2008-10-13 23:34:32
** Dunkirk [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 NL - Cash Game) real money
Grigorov sitting in seat 1 with $48.50
dias-aek sitting in seat 2 with $40.95
Wozonko sitting in seat 3 with $151.64
eGeMi sitting in seat 4 with $64.99
JamesGodfrey sitting in seat 5 with $32.29
shlomis sitting in seat 6 with $35.69[Dealer]
Grigorov posted the small blind - $0.25
dias-aek posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing cards to JamesGodfrey: Ks, Kh
Wozonko folded
eGeMi folded
JamesGodfrey raised to $2.00
shlomis raised to $4.50
Grigorov folded
dias-aek called - $4.50
JamesGodfrey went all-in - $30.29
shlomis went all-in - $31.19
dias-aek folded
** Dealing the flop: 4c, Ah, Jc
** Dealing the turn: 10d
** Dealing the river: 5h
JamesGodfrey shows: Ks, Kh
shlomis shows: Ad, As
shlomis wins $66.33 from the main pot

** Hand # 2219856324 starting - 2008-10-14 00:18:27
** Full-Table Freezeout[2155973]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (100.00|200.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
SuperDupes sitting in seat 1 with 3920.00
JamesGodfrey sitting in seat 2 with 1465.00
megarules sitting in seat 5 with 2230.00
jalle1818 sitting in seat 6 with 10470.00
lmcjmat sitting in seat 8 with 1915.00[Dealer]
SuperDupes ante'd - 5.00
JamesGodfrey ante'd - 5.00
megarules ante'd - 5.00
jalle1818 ante'd - 5.00
lmcjmat ante'd - 5.00
SuperDupes posted the small blind - 50.00
JamesGodfrey posted the big blind - 100.00
** Dealing cards to JamesGodfrey: Kc, Ks
megarules folded
jalle1818 folded
lmcjmat went all-in - 1910.00
SuperDupes folded
JamesGodfrey went all-in - 1360.00
lmcjmat shows: Ac, 8s
** Dealing the flop: Qd, 4h, 2d
** Dealing the turn: 9d
** Dealing the river: Ah
lmcjmat wins 2995.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2221213597 starting - 2008-10-14 22:56:11
** $17.5k GUARANTEE[2156899]:Table 4 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (100.00|200.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
JamesGodfrey sitting in seat 1 with 6030.00[Dealer]
simoni33 sitting in seat 2 with 23235.00
BENDERIS60 sitting in seat 3 with 4685.00
RaiseMeFool sitting in seat 4 with 3202.50
sportvarg sitting in seat 5 with 5025.00
UndaTheRadar sitting in seat 6 with 6172.50
tistba10 sitting in seat 8 with 4665.00
nissefaren sitting in seat 9 with 6067.50
platobee62 sitting in seat 10 with 1670.00
simoni33 ante'd - 5.00
BENDERIS60 ante'd - 5.00
RaiseMeFool ante'd - 5.00
sportvarg ante'd - 5.00
UndaTheRadar ante'd - 5.00
tistba10 ante'd - 5.00
nissefaren ante'd - 5.00
platobee62 ante'd - 5.00
JamesGodfrey ante'd - 5.00
simoni33 posted the small blind - 50.00
BENDERIS60 posted the big blind - 100.00
** Dealing cards to JamesGodfrey: Qd, Qs
RaiseMeFool folded
sportvarg folded
UndaTheRadar folded
tistba10 folded
nissefaren raised to 400.00
platobee62 folded
JamesGodfrey raised to 700.00
simoni33 folded
BENDERIS60 folded
nissefaren called - 700.00
** Dealing the flop: Jc, Ad, 4d
nissefaren checked
JamesGodfrey bet - 1400.00
nissefaren called - 1400.00
** Dealing the turn: 2s
nissefaren checked
JamesGodfrey checked
** Dealing the river: Ac
nissefaren bet - 2197.50
JamesGodfrey went all-in - 3925.00
nissefaren called - 3925.00
nissefaren shows: 6c, Ah
nissefaren wins 12245.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2221334849 starting - 2008-10-15 00:28:31
** $17.5k GUARANTEE[2156899]:Table 4 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (1000.00|2000.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
JamesGodfrey sitting in seat 1 with 15999.50
simoni33 sitting in seat 2 with 6617.00
spritern sitting in seat 3 with 9825.00
Flengan sitting in seat 4 with 34765.00
gordeeva sitting in seat 5 with 23794.00
GackB sitting in seat 6 with 26799.50
nomercey sitting in seat 7 with 35767.50[Dealer]
yfuerst12 sitting in seat 8 with 9690.00
macest sitting in seat 10 with 14448.00
yfuerst12 ante'd - 75.00
macest ante'd - 75.00
JamesGodfrey ante'd - 75.00
simoni33 ante'd - 75.00
spritern ante'd - 75.00
Flengan ante'd - 75.00
gordeeva ante'd - 75.00
GackB ante'd - 75.00
nomercey ante'd - 75.00
yfuerst12 posted the small blind - 500.00
macest posted the big blind - 1000.00
** Dealing cards to JamesGodfrey: 7c, 7d
JamesGodfrey called - 1000.00
simoni33 went all-in - 6542.00
spritern folded
Flengan called - 6542.00
gordeeva folded
GackB folded
nomercey folded
yfuerst12 folded
macest folded
JamesGodfrey folded
simoni33 shows: Qs, Qc
Flengan shows: Ad, As
** Dealing the flop: 5d, Jh, 10h
** Dealing the turn: 8c
** Dealing the river: 9d
simoni33 wins 16259.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2223093556 starting - 2008-10-16 09:43:35
** Full-Table Freezeout[2165346]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (100.00|200.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
6prime sitting in seat 1 with 6430.00
Sikais77 sitting in seat 3 with 1210.00
lufcfan10 sitting in seat 4 with 1295.00
routa sitting in seat 5 with 2390.00
sharaqu sitting in seat 7 with 1822.50[Dealer]
opticien sitting in seat 8 with 4670.00
bestnagi sitting in seat 10 with 2182.50
opticien ante'd - 5.00
bestnagi ante'd - 5.00
6prime ante'd - 5.00
Sikais77 ante'd - 5.00
lufcfan10 ante'd - 5.00
routa ante'd - 5.00
sharaqu ante'd - 5.00
opticien posted the small blind - 50.00
bestnagi posted the big blind - 100.00
6prime called - 100.00
Sikais77 folded
lufcfan10 called - 100.00
routa folded
sharaqu called - 100.00
opticien folded
bestnagi checked
** Dealing the flop: Kd, 6h, Kh
bestnagi checked
6prime checked
lufcfan10 checked
sharaqu checked
** Dealing the turn: 6c
bestnagi checked
6prime bet - 100.00
lufcfan10 folded
sharaqu called - 100.00
bestnagi folded
** Dealing the river: 4d
6prime bet - 400.00
sharaqu called - 400.00
6prime shows: 4c, 4h
sharaqu mucks:
6prime wins 1485.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2223096806 starting - 2008-10-16 09:48:59
** Full-Table Freezeout[2165346]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (150.00|300.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
6prime sitting in seat 1 with 4810.00
Sikais77 sitting in seat 3 with 1090.00
lufcfan10 sitting in seat 4 with 3210.00
routa sitting in seat 5 with 2667.50
sharaqu sitting in seat 7 with 1150.00
opticien sitting in seat 8 with 5135.00
bestnagi sitting in seat 10 with 1937.50[Dealer]
6prime ante'd - 10.00
Sikais77 ante'd - 10.00
lufcfan10 ante'd - 10.00
routa ante'd - 10.00
sharaqu ante'd - 10.00
opticien ante'd - 10.00
bestnagi ante'd - 10.00
6prime posted the small blind - 75.00
Sikais77 posted the big blind - 150.00
lufcfan10 raised to 600.00
routa folded
sharaqu folded
opticien folded
bestnagi folded
6prime went all-in - 4725.00
Sikais77 folded
lufcfan10 went all-in - 2600.00
6prime shows: Kd, Ac
lufcfan10 shows: Js, 10c
** Dealing the flop: 2d, Ks, 10d
** Dealing the turn: 9s
** Dealing the river: 10s
lufcfan10 wins 6620.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2223100509 starting - 2008-10-16 09:55:31
** Full-Table Freezeout[2165346]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (200.00|400.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
6prime sitting in seat 1 with 1105.00
Sikais77 sitting in seat 3 with 1455.00[Dealer]
lufcfan10 sitting in seat 4 with 6605.00[Sitting out]
routa sitting in seat 5 with 3002.50
sharaqu sitting in seat 7 with 1225.00
opticien sitting in seat 8 with 4730.00
bestnagi sitting in seat 10 with 1877.50
lufcfan10 ante'd - 15.00
routa ante'd - 15.00
sharaqu ante'd - 15.00
opticien ante'd - 15.00
bestnagi ante'd - 15.00
6prime ante'd - 15.00
Sikais77 ante'd - 15.00
lufcfan10 posted the small blind - 100.00
routa posted the big blind - 200.00
sharaqu went all-in - 1210.00
opticien folded
bestnagi folded
6prime folded
Sikais77 went all-in - 1440.00
lufcfan10 folded
routa folded
Sikais77 shows: Kd, Kh
sharaqu shows: 7c, 7h
** Dealing the flop: 5c, Jh, 7d
** Dealing the turn: Ad
** Dealing the river: Qs
sharaqu wins 2825.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2223105251 starting - 2008-10-16 10:03:53
** $2k Turbo Guarantee (6-handed tables)[2156961]:Table 25 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (2000.00|4000.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
susserhelse sitting in seat 1 with 43130.00[Dealer]
14oxar sitting in seat 2 with 29205.00
snuden1 sitting in seat 3 with 19415.00
dockie123 sitting in seat 4 with 20815.00
tina358 sitting in seat 5 with 29697.50
ilframe sitting in seat 6 with 25295.00
14oxar ante'd - 150.00
snuden1 ante'd - 150.00
dockie123 ante'd - 150.00
tina358 ante'd - 150.00
ilframe ante'd - 150.00
susserhelse ante'd - 150.00
14oxar posted the small blind - 1000.00
snuden1 posted the big blind - 2000.00
dockie123 folded
tina358 folded
ilframe folded
susserhelse raised to 4000.00
14oxar folded
snuden1 went all-in - 17265.00
susserhelse called - 19265.00
susserhelse shows: Kd, Qc
snuden1 shows: 10h, Ah
** Dealing the flop: 10d, 3c, Jh
** Dealing the turn: Ac
** Dealing the river: As
snuden1 wins 40430.00 from the main pot

** Hand # 2223106114 starting - 2008-10-16 10:05:24
** $2k Turbo Guarantee (6-handed tables)[2156961]:Table 25 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (2000.00|4000.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
susserhelse sitting in seat 1 with 2900.00
14oxar sitting in seat 2 with 27755.00
snuden1 sitting in seat 3 with 39130.00
dockie123 sitting in seat 4 with 41780.00[Dealer]
tina358 sitting in seat 5 with 31147.50
ilframe sitting in seat 6 with 24845.00
tina358 ante'd - 150.00
ilframe ante'd - 150.00
susserhelse ante'd - 150.00
14oxar ante'd - 150.00
snuden1 ante'd - 150.00
dockie123 ante'd - 150.00
tina358 posted the small blind - 1000.00
ilframe posted the big blind - 2000.00
susserhelse went all-in - 2750.00
14oxar folded
snuden1 raised to 9500.00
dockie123 folded
tina358 folded
ilframe folded
susserhelse shows: 6h, Qh
snuden1 shows: Qs, As
** Dealing the flop: 6c, 3h, 2c
** Dealing the turn: 8c
** Dealing the river: 2h
susserhelse wins 9400.00 from the main pot

and dont tell me this doesnt prove anything, the problem is everyone says 'you got no evidence blah blah' then when evidence is shown it is disregarded....

RickH2005 said:

MAN!! For the gazillionth time---NO! I DON'T think Doyes'is rigged OR FT OR Ultimatebet OR PokerStars!! There's a such a thing as 'Variance' and you will not win ALLA time at ANY site!! Geez! You hit a BAD RUN! That's all!! IT HAPPENS!! (Why are these 'Rigged' threads even allowed!?

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+1

Thanks for providing your 9 hands. Post another 49,991 then it can be considered.

I vote to lock thread!

it's always amusing to see people say that online poker is rigged when they get 3 or 4 really bad beats but they never say it whenever they get AA dealt in consecutive hands or dish out sick beat after sick beat. seriously you have to take the good with the bad, these people want to have their cake and eat it too. look at it this way, why will a reputable poker network want to rig hands to get maybe a few million in rake and risk getting caught and losing hundreds of millions when they get sued? it just makes no sense!

maybe all the people that say online poker is rigged should start their own forum where they talk about how it is rigged all the time. then we could all go there and post about our wins and how great it is. kind of like a bizarro cardschat.

JamesGodfrey said:

I dont like to say online poker is rigged, but I have been playing on Doyles Room which i on microgaming for the past 4 months, and made a steady profit however, this past few weeks I have started noticing thing which seem a little out of the ordinary. Anyone who plays on Microgaming's Poker Network, please post you experiences of things you see regularly. Here a few things which I see on a regular basis:

1. Two outers hitting on the river, especially if the higher chip stack has the two outs.

2. The flop revealing a pair when two or more players have pocket pairs.

3. JJ and 99 being dealt out in the same hand.

4. AA and KK being dealt out in the same hand.

5. AA and AK being dealt out in the same hand, plus the flop comeing K high.

If anyone notices these please post, as I am a little concerned about the network.

On top of the, on the lobby click menu, then click on Independant Reviews, Doyles Room had it last audit report in December 2007, when was your poker rooms last audit?

Thanks

JamesGodfrey

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Live poker must be rigged too then. I mean how many two outers have I lost in a live casino. Gosh that dealer must be base dealing! How many times have I seen a pair when I hold a pocket pair live? JJ and 99 being in the same hand wow! That is not uncommon at all. I was playing in a live tourney 2 weeks ago and lo and behold both held AA and KK must be rigged. I guess AA vs AK must never happen live. Oh wait happened to me so many times in a live game. You obviously have not played enough poker, live or online. What happens online happens in live games.

I have played 1000's of hours live and online and I can tell its not rigged. Some people say it is action orientated online.(Meaning more good hands dealt) But this is even grasping at straws for several reasons. 1. Ok that could explain why the good hands or playing but why is the 27 suited calling raises? Some people love suited cards live or online. 2. Poker is a situational game so its hard to rig it up because everything changes and people can call, fold, or raise. 3. Bad beats are part of the game and plus someone has to win. If the best hand always won online not many people would play online.

Good players win about 51-56% or somewhere in that range. So that means they lose somewhere between 44-47% somewhere around there. That is what I have seen anyway. Some have higher numbers but I put the average winning player around that range. (Correct me if I am wrong but that is what I've seen from numereous winning players. Including myself.) So that means you are going to have a good number of losing sessions out of 100. I'm not saying that your loses are going to big but that you will have them. If you don't then you are the best or luckiest player in the world.

If you play for long enough you're bound to see a few bad beats- I've lost twice in 20 sngs with AA vs KK, but that doesnt mean its rigged- you can always pick up some anomoly with randomness!

If big hands never ran into each other and bad beats didnt happen, poker would be a very dull game...

This kind of thing happens in live games too.
Its not rigged , its poker , get use to it or move on.
By the way i play at doyles room plus 19 other microgaming sites.
But manly at doyles room and im makeing money.
Im very happy with microgaming.

JamesGodfrey said:

Heres a bit of evidence:

Look at these suck outs/set ups and the time between them:


** Hand # 2221213597 starting - 2008-10-14 22:56:11
** $17.5k GUARANTEE[2156899]:Table 4 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (100.00|200.00 NL - MTT) Real Money
JamesGodfrey sitting in seat 1 with 6030.00[Dealer]
simoni33 sitting in seat 2 with 23235.00
BENDERIS60 sitting in seat 3 with 4685.00
RaiseMeFool sitting in seat 4 with 3202.50
sportvarg sitting in seat 5 with 5025.00
UndaTheRadar sitting in seat 6 with 6172.50
tistba10 sitting in seat 8 with 4665.00
nissefaren sitting in seat 9 with 6067.50
platobee62 sitting in seat 10 with 1670.00
simoni33 ante'd - 5.00
BENDERIS60 ante'd - 5.00
RaiseMeFool ante'd - 5.00
sportvarg ante'd - 5.00
UndaTheRadar ante'd - 5.00
tistba10 ante'd - 5.00
nissefaren ante'd - 5.00
platobee62 ante'd - 5.00
JamesGodfrey ante'd - 5.00
simoni33 posted the small blind - 50.00
BENDERIS60 posted the big blind - 100.00
** Dealing cards to JamesGodfrey: Qd, Qs
RaiseMeFool folded
sportvarg folded
UndaTheRadar folded
tistba10 folded
nissefaren raised to 400.00
platobee62 folded
JamesGodfrey raised to 700.00
simoni33 folded
BENDERIS60 folded
nissefaren called - 700.00
** Dealing the flop: Jc, Ad, 4d
nissefaren checked
JamesGodfrey bet - 1400.00
nissefaren called - 1400.00
** Dealing the turn: 2s
nissefaren checked
JamesGodfrey checked
** Dealing the river: Ac
nissefaren bet - 2197.50
JamesGodfrey went all-in - 3925.00
nissefaren called - 3925.00
nissefaren shows: 6c, Ah
nissefaren wins 12245.00 from the main pot

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I didn't look at all your hands but I analyzed most and if this is how you play it explains a lot. First off this is an easy fold. I don't understand why you raise all in on the river here. I mean if your right you win the pot and nothing more.(Unless he is betting a jack) However there are several problems with moving in on the river. First you did not raise enough preflop. What does that raise accomplish anyway? 2nd you bet too much on the flop which made the pot bigger and your loses more. Once he calls on the flop you figure either he has an ace or a diamond draw. On the river you either figure he is bluffing a busted draw or he has an ace. Reraising all in on the river costs you. You could've saved 1800 or so and still been in the tournament but instead you busted out. Better to fold on the river I think then move in though.