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  Poker - Hand you muck most?
 
  #1  
05-02-2008, 2:48 AM
slgalt
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Hand you muck most?

Anyone have a hand they are just allergic to? Like A6o?

I'm not really talking about such bad rags as to be unplayable, I'm talkin' personal bias.
 

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  #2  
05-02-2008, 2:57 AM
PuffinNugs420
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the only Aces i will play are A-anything suited and only A-9 higher. ive just lost too much $ playing Aces with low kickers offsuit. the odds of hitting your 2 pr with the shitty kicker are very low. However, if im in a blind with an Ace-whatever, i will play that hand 90% of the time.
  #3  
05-02-2008, 3:11 AM
K_Kahne_Fan
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I should fold QQ when I get it. Seems like my ladies get cracked everytime.
  #4  
05-02-2008, 4:44 AM
phisig6057
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I completely agree with the above post about A-x I was int he habit of putting WAY too much value on the A, and not considering the kicker. Eventually I learned to be more selective of my starting hands. the other hand I virtually refuse to play is J-9 o or s.
  #5  
05-02-2008, 4:52 AM
Dewmz
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I fold 72o the most.. 72s I raise with, but 72o..no good.
  #6  
05-02-2008, 5:03 AM
vanquish
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i always fold KK UTG
  #7  
05-02-2008, 5:18 AM
Munchrs
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i fold ever other hand, every single time.
  #8  
05-02-2008, 6:19 AM
momoney2
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KTo is death! For the 3 times you either make 2 pair or the broadway straight, you'll lose with it a hundred times.
  #9  
05-02-2008, 9:15 AM
AlexeiVronsky
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A8o, that one's cost me a lot of chips when it gets shorthanded at the end of tourneys. Lost 700k with it on one hand taking me from chipleader to second shortstack.
  #10  
05-02-2008, 10:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K_Kahne_Fan View Post
I should fold QQ when I get it. Seems like my ladies get cracked everytime.

I am really gonna start folding QQ preflop. (not a joke)
Over the last 27K hands they were up against AA or KK about 30% of the time. Even when they are not, they lose to other hands like 50% of the time. Oh yeah, the other 20% is when i win the F**KING blinds!!!
  #11  
05-02-2008, 2:28 PM
K_Kahne_Fan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4aces07 View Post
...the other 20% is when i win the F**KING blinds!!!
That's just about the ONLY time I win with QQ is when I bet big enough PF that everyone folds. But then you're skeered to bet big because you know you'll get that one caller who catches and A on the board and turnes over A-rag and you think WTF and kick your dog*.

*note: I have never kicked my dog and you shouldn't either .
  #12  
05-02-2008, 3:09 PM
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k 10 is one of gus hansens favorite hands, i fold it
  #13  
05-02-2008, 3:23 PM
beardyian
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J4, T5, 92, 93, 73, 62 etc will usually fold because they make my eyes feel sick

But you can never say never can you lol
  #14  
05-02-2008, 3:34 PM
zachvac
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According to Poker Tracker, since my move up to 25nl I have NEVER voluntarily put money in the pot with:

73o, 43o, J4o, 32s, 63o, Q7o, 43s, A3o, T6s, 54o, Q5s, 92s, Q9o, 93s, Q6s, 85o, 93o, K3s, K4s, J2o, Q2o, 84o, A2o, 83s, T3s, T2s, J5s, 97s, Q8s, 94s, 42s, 86o, Q6o, 86s, 32o, 74s, 53s, Q4o, J2s, 64o, J8s, K9o, K2s, J3o, 64s, 63s, 87o, 92o, 73o, 42o, Q3s, K6s, 62s, T3o, 83o, 53o, 74o, T2o, 52s, 52o, J6o, 95o, 84s, 72s, 75o, J3s, 82s

over 15,427 hands.
  #15  
05-02-2008, 3:35 PM
watchout18
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mine is JJ, im probably 1/36 when playing it.
  #16  
05-02-2008, 3:41 PM
RMcLeod
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I always fold A-Xo.

The last three A-A I've been dealt have been cracked, first time I thought 'it happens', second time I thought 'damn that's unlucky seeing as odds state A-A win 50% of the time', third time I seriously began to wonder what I had done to upset the poker gods.

Quite like Q-8s always seem to hit with this hand.
  #17  
05-02-2008, 4:03 PM
vanquish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac View Post
According to Poker Tracker, since my move up to 25nl I have NEVER voluntarily put money in the pot with:

73o, 43o, J4o, 32s, 63o, Q7o, 43s, A3o, T6s, 54o, Q5s, 92s, Q9o, 93s, Q6s, 85o, 93o, K3s, K4s, J2o, Q2o, 84o, A2o, 83s, T3s, T2s, J5s, 97s, Q8s, 94s, 42s, 86o, Q6o, 86s, 32o, 74s, 53s, Q4o, J2s, 64o, J8s, K9o, K2s, J3o, 64s, 63s, 87o, 92o, 73o, 42o, Q3s, K6s, 62s, T3o, 83o, 53o, 74o, T2o, 52s, 52o, J6o, 95o, 84s, 72s, 75o, J3s, 82s

over 15,427 hands.
is this full ring?

A3o.....?
  #18  
05-02-2008, 4:11 PM
Genso Hikki
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King, 10 and Queen, 9

I hate both those hands with a passion.
  #19  
05-02-2008, 4:52 PM
zachvac
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanquish View Post
is this full ring?
yes

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanquish View Post
A3o.....?
yes
  #20  
05-02-2008, 5:08 PM
vanquish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac View Post
yes


yes
  #21  
05-02-2008, 5:38 PM
NuRelic
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I hesitated before replying to this thread because there's just too many hands that I'm prepared to fold pre-flop that answering the question just wasn't worth the time it would take. But after thinking about it and actually reading the question posed by slgalt, "Anyone have a hand they are just allergic to?" I have to admit that I'm not really opposed to playing any hand if I have good odds.

I use to routinely fold hands like: 73o, 43o, J4o, 32s, 63o, Q7o, 43s, A3o, T6s, 54o, Q5s, 92s, Q9o, 93s, Q6s, 85o, 93o, K3s, K4s, J2o, Q2o, 84o, A2o, 83s, T3s, T2s, J5s, 97s, Q8s, 94s, 42s, 86o, Q6o, 86s, 32o, 74s, 53s, Q4o, J2s, 64o, J8s, K9o, K2s, J3o, 64s, 63s, 87o, 92o, 73o, 42o, Q3s, K6s, 62s, T3o, 83o, 53o, 74o, T2o, 52s, 52o, J6o, 95o, 84s, 72s, 75o, J3s, 82s (thanks zachvac for the write up). But if I'm holding one of those hands when I'm in the BB or SB with a mini-raise from the player immediately to my left followed by a long series of calls, I will make that call. The implied odds are, more often than not, huge and setting up a check-raise is very profitable. Likewise, if there is a mini or small bet made from someone in EP and there are four or more callers while I'm on the Button, I'll pay it off for the same reason. Obviously this doesn't happen too often, and that's why it's worth it (at least to me) to make the call.

Past that, the only hand(s) that makes me jittery are KJ and KT from EP or Early MP.
  #22  
05-02-2008, 5:46 PM
AlexeiVronsky
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Quote:
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Limit is like that High School girl you had a crush on; not a lot of guys had the discipline to respect to treat her right in hopes of getting paid off, while no Limit is like that girl's slutty sister that EVERYONE really wants to play with!
LOL, best sig ever.
  #23  
05-02-2008, 6:54 PM
NuRelic
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Thanks, I have to give credit to a guy in another Forum named Trann who said it first and put it a little differently, but it is a killer saying. Thanks alos for alerting me to it because I didn't word it out the way I really wanted it.
  #24  
05-02-2008, 11:14 PM
zachvac
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NuRelic View Post
I hesitated before replying to this thread because there's just too many hands that I'm prepared to fold pre-flop that answering the question just wasn't worth the time it would take. But after thinking about it and actually reading the question posed by slgalt, "Anyone have a hand they are just allergic to?" I have to admit that I'm not really opposed to playing any hand if I have good odds.

I use to routinely fold hands like: 73o, 43o, J4o, 32s, 63o, Q7o, 43s, A3o, T6s, 54o, Q5s, 92s, Q9o, 93s, Q6s, 85o, 93o, K3s, K4s, J2o, Q2o, 84o, A2o, 83s, T3s, T2s, J5s, 97s, Q8s, 94s, 42s, 86o, Q6o, 86s, 32o, 74s, 53s, Q4o, J2s, 64o, J8s, K9o, K2s, J3o, 64s, 63s, 87o, 92o, 73o, 42o, Q3s, K6s, 62s, T3o, 83o, 53o, 74o, T2o, 52s, 52o, J6o, 95o, 84s, 72s, 75o, J3s, 82s (thanks zachvac for the write up). But if I'm holding one of those hands when I'm in the BB or SB with a mini-raise from the player immediately to my left followed by a long series of calls, I will make that call. The implied odds are, more often than not, huge and setting up a check-raise is very profitable. Likewise, if there is a mini or small bet made from someone in EP and there are four or more callers while I'm on the Button, I'll pay it off for the same reason. Obviously this doesn't happen too often, and that's why it's worth it (at least to me) to make the call.

Past that, the only hand(s) that makes me jittery are KJ and KT from EP or Early MP.
Oh I will as well, it's just that so far I haven't been in a position to make that call. Note that there are a lot of trash hands that aren't on this list (another scenario is it's folded to me on the button and the SB and BB are very tight preflop, I'll steal the blinds).
  #25  
10-02-2008, 3:30 PM
sindri_93
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One hand i just cant play is K9 i was playing @ fulltilt cuple weeks ago and hit K9 5times in a row 3handed so its a decent hand there. playt them 4times did not hold up once allways lost to kwak kwak or even 7-2.
After that i just couldint play that hand
  #26  
10-02-2008, 9:58 PM
momoney2
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A recent PokerTracker3 discovery, it is telling me I should laydown AQs everytime I get it in a SnG or MTT. Since downloading PT3 a couple weeks ago, I have lost every AQs hand I have played; and have usually been knocked out of the tourney. Everytime I see it I laugh, "The hand I love to go out with."
  #27  
11-02-2008, 12:15 AM
MrBove
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I love all hands equally.
  #28  
11-02-2008, 11:19 AM
mafalda34
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Most of the time im playing very tight so maybe im allergic to most of them. LOL I think the hand i hate the most is 83off but there are a lot of non-playable hands. Sometimes Jacks had given me some trouble as well.
  #29  
11-02-2008, 6:04 PM
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A-6/8 is the worst hand, I have been recently knocked out a couple of times with it from tournies. It doesn't really matter that I have had the best hand most of the times, but the fact that the guy with the A9 and the Q9 hit two nines just make me think before I ever push with it.

That said, you guys are seriously missing on good hands when you're not playing them all.
  #30  
11-02-2008, 9:54 PM
dj11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slgalt View Post
Anyone have a hand they are just allergic to? Like A6o?

I'm not really talking about such bad rags as to be unplayable, I'm talkin' personal bias.
In the spirit of the OP, I have become allergic to Q5, off or suited.

It didn't start out this way, I remeber a night at Party Poker when I was still playing any paint, and I got Q5 a lot that night. Once making quad Q's, and 3 times filling QQQ55 boats. That was 2 or 3 years ago, and I plum wore them two out.

Since that evening, I don't think I've hit either of them in a bb walked flop even.......
  #31  
11-02-2008, 10:18 PM
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i hate playing 2, anything.. i usually limp in with 2,2 to see if a set comes but thats all... J, J usually gets me broke too, though i'll generally raise with it
  #32  
12-02-2008, 12:02 AM
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Low Ace is trouble


OMG i had a really bad beat this last night...early tournemnt blinds 30 15 I had A3 suited of clubs, I decided to play the low ace suited....Very bad idea cause the situation i got my self into was hard to fold the hand cause i knew i was ahead and killed some of his outs. The guy ended up having A 10 suited of Spades!! The flop was 3 dimond 8 spade 7 hearts...at this point i know im ahead cause he raised to 135 preflop i put him on A10 or higher just me and him in the pot. So on flop he checks and i make the big raise being a pot bet equalling like 660 or so on the 3, thinking hes gonna fold...yeah right he follows and it rolls a 7 of spade.....i go all in and he calls and gets the flush....i was playing like a donk even playing that hand that early...... any one agree?
  #33  
12-02-2008, 7:14 PM
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Quote:
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OMG i had a really bad beat this last night...early tournemnt blinds 30 15 I had A3 suited of clubs, I decided to play the low ace suited....Very bad idea cause the situation i got my self into was hard to fold the hand cause i knew i was ahead and killed some of his outs. The guy ended up having A 10 suited of Spades!! The flop was 3 dimond 8 spade 7 hearts...at this point i know im ahead cause he raised to 135 preflop i put him on A10 or higher just me and him in the pot. So on flop he checks and i make the big raise being a pot bet equalling like 660 or so on the 3, thinking hes gonna fold...yeah right he follows and it rolls a 7 of spade.....i go all in and he calls and gets the flush....i was playing like a donk even playing that hand that early...... any one agree?
no the donk play was "knowing" you were ahead with bottom pair. He could have been trying to steal. Meanwhile he "knew" you didn't connect because you called a raise to 135 preflop. What made you so sure he didn't have 88, 33, 77, or any over pair? You got lucky he played like an idiot and got all his money in with a flush draw. You got unlucky that he hit it. You both played the hand absolutely horribly though. I'm sorry, but with A3 when you hit your 3, unless you have an extremely good read of the player, you simply cannot assume you're ahead. First you had bottom pair, second players will raise with trash hands trying to steal, and if he raised with 78 you lose all your money here without him having to suck out.
  #34  
12-02-2008, 7:41 PM
Merlin333
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Bad Luck / Good luck hands

For me it 9's and J's total bad luck hands - I NEVER hit or win with them. In certain situations I play them very cautiously! Sixes - I ALWAYS hit or win with them.

Merlin333
  #35  
12-02-2008, 8:43 PM
pappasqueaks
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man Im startin to fold pocket jacks now all the time bc i always get sucker out at the end no matter what. i might as well go all in wiff a 24o instead.
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