Which hand to have all in?

#1 20th December 2005, 7:42 PM

What would you rather have all in and why? The one you don't pick is the other player's hand.

Pocket Queens

or

AK suited?

#2 20th December 2005, 7:47 PM

This is a simple one, pocket pairs never hold up for me so give me AK suited. I'd probably lose no matter which hand I had though...

#3 20th December 2005, 7:48 PM

QQ preflop, obviously.

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 53.7855 % 53.59% 00.20% { QcQd }
Hand 2: 46.2145 % 46.02% 00.20% { AsKs }

#4 20th December 2005, 8:13 PM

I go with the statistics on this... QQ has a higher chance of winning, not much, but it does... Besides that, I prefer pocket pairs all in preflop. Even 33 or 22, i will go all in (preflop) if i'm short stacked.

BTW, what is equity?

#5 20th December 2005, 8:16 PM

I personally dislike AK suited or not, have lost more with that hand lol. So i would for sure rather have QQ

g/l

#6 20th December 2005, 9:19 PM

I would be happy with QQ's but AK has helped me in the past beating a low pair on all-ins. But the last tourney I saw Phil "cry baby" Helmuth he went all in on AK and lost to a suited KJh when the jack made its pair on the river. I've lost with AA's many times as well. Sometimes you almost have to treat them all the same if you know what I mean. Depends on how many players are still in the pot and so on.

#7 20th December 2005, 9:23 PM

QQ's because those are easier to push all-in then the Ak.. A,K you need to pair up while the QQ's allready are paired..At least with QQ's you allready have a hand.

#8 20th December 2005, 9:39 PM

Are you calling or pushing? LOL,I don't think it matters here. I have to say QQ since it is a made hand. No matter what, you still need help to win with AK suited to win.

Dramatic effect, which is worse? Praying that you spike the A or K or sitting there sweating it out for a bunch of low cards.

#9 20th December 2005, 10:23 PM

Yes push all in... better to be the person who pushes all-in then to call the all-in.. QQ's are a little easier to push or call an all-in then the A,K suited..

#10 20th December 2005, 11:26 PM

Gotta be the Queens from a stats point of view.

#11 21st December 2005, 12:03 AM

Gotta go with the math, so QQ. I like AK, but the bottom line is that it's still a drawing hand.

#12 21st December 2005, 1:45 AM

Gotta stick with the numbers on this. I'll take QQ every time.

#13 21st December 2005, 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfpokerfan

Are you calling or pushing? LOL,I don't think it matters here. I have to say QQ since it is a made hand. No matter what, you still need help to win with AK suited to win.

Dramatic effect, which is worse? Praying that you spike the A or K or sitting there sweating it out for a bunch of low cards.

That's a good question. Maybe I'll make another poll thread with that question.

#14 21st December 2005, 3:34 PM

Pocket pairs always seem to hold up for me so give me QQ. I'd probably win no matter which hand I had though...

#15 21st December 2005, 3:36 PM

I seen a fantastic article about the QQ vs AK debate a little while back, ill see can i find it. I know id certainly take the QQ.

#16 22nd December 2005, 5:59 PM

I agree about what to go all in with i like QQ hate JJ and strangly AA, I have had people calling the AI with crazy hands. 3-4 off seems to do quite well normally when I have AA, guess its like the man said any two cards can win and if you get an idiot at the table they will call with anything.

#17 22nd December 2005, 6:24 PM

I' ve had so much bad luck and beats with QQ just in the last couple of weeks I could hang myself. For that reason I would have to pick Big Slick Even off suite.

#18 22nd December 2005, 7:49 PM

While I voted for QQ, my actual answer would be neither. The allin play has a place, but is so overused. Mike Caro did a massive amopunt of work on this issue - the result - not surprisingly is that the allin move loses almost as much as it wins. A QQ vs AK is a coin flip - why play for an hour then risk everything on the flop of the cards. Raise enough to hopefully drive out the junk and play from the flop. The time to go allin with these hands is when you are short stacked and are forces to gamble.

#19 22nd December 2005, 8:30 PM

Nice point jsaw but in tournament play, eventually you have to either call an all-in or go all-in at one point. In a tournament it is the biggest weapon you have. You never know what someone has when they do it and it is alway difficult to call one. Most all-ins are either #1 pocket pair vs two overs (coin flip) or #2 A10 vs KK QQ etc., then it is about 60/40. On occassion you see two sets of pocket pairs and then if you are on the low end, well good luck then.

Hopefully in a ring game those words never leave your mouth.

: Which Hand Would You Rahter Have
Pocket Queens		77.27%
AK Suited?		22.73%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

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