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  Poker - guy playing like a super user at Full Tilt
 
  #1  
15-02-2008, 1:18 AM
aliengenius
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guy playing like a super user at Full Tilt

fergg1234

I challenge any of you ring game gods to beat this guy.


He is 51.09 vp$ip over 505 hands, but he has NEVER been stacked and is crushing the game. Notice the river aggression as related to his overall aggression:

agg.JPG

Some please sit in and tell me something isn't suspicious...
 

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  #2  
15-02-2008, 1:21 AM
tenbob
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He must be a member of team rex ???????
  #3  
15-02-2008, 1:21 AM
aliengenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbob
He must be a member of team rex ???????
NO joke. Play him.
  #4  
15-02-2008, 1:22 AM
MrSticker
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He's playing .05/.10 NLHE. Hard to believe a "superuser" would see that stake as worth playing.
  #5  
15-02-2008, 1:23 AM
Irexes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbob
He must be a member of team rex ???????

We only use our powers for good (apart from BBB).

What limit this at AG?
  #6  
15-02-2008, 1:23 AM
aliengenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSticker
He's playing .05/.10 NLHE. Hard to believe a "superuser" would see that stake as worth playing.
Really? It can't be a trial run of some sort? Play him.
  #7  
15-02-2008, 1:25 AM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
Really? It can't be a trial run of some sort? Play him.
Hmmm, maybe. How many hands you got on him?

FYI, I'm on the wait list on both his tables now.
  #8  
15-02-2008, 1:26 AM
aliengenius
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I will give anyone who can stack the guy $10.

Or a copy of Poker Nation by A. Bellin.

Your choice.
  #9  
15-02-2008, 1:28 AM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
I will give anyone who can stack the guy $10.
Check out his chat on table Meadows. He says he's up $185 today.
  #10  
15-02-2008, 1:30 AM
dakota-xx
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I am there too lol.
  #11  
15-02-2008, 1:33 AM
WVHillbilly
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If he is a super user he's not a very good one. All of the cheaters who have been caught to date had near infinite river aggression. They would always either raise or fold, only calling when the other player went all-in and they knew they had the best hand. What percentage of his hands are getting to SD?
  #12  
15-02-2008, 1:33 AM
tenbob
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Ohhhh free $10.

On the way.
edit : Sucks cant find him
  #13  
15-02-2008, 1:35 AM
dakota-xx
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We scared him off lol.
  #14  
15-02-2008, 1:37 AM
vanquish
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i lol'd
  #15  
15-02-2008, 1:37 AM
aliengenius
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He has taken some breaks and come back. This bounty is good all night.
  #16  
15-02-2008, 1:38 AM
MrSticker
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He left both tables, so here's the only hand I got to play against him:

FullTiltPoker Game #5256492947: Table Meadows - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:30:46 ET - 2008/02/14
Seat 1: tjnich04 ($10.25)
Seat 2: darkcystal ($4)
Seat 3: little ozo ($5.30)
Seat 4: kimseongchan ($10)
Seat 5: Method0711 ($12.80)
Seat 6: adris7 ($1.50)
Seat 7: MrSticker ($9.80)
Seat 8: sl0w_Th1nker ($10)
Seat 9: fergg1234 ($22.60)
MrSticker posts the small blind of $0.05
sl0w_Th1nker posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrSticker [Qd Jc]
fergg1234 has 15 seconds left to act
darkcystal: u r on fire
fergg1234 raises to $0.20
tjnich04 folds
darkcystal: can get u some water if u like
darkcystal has 15 seconds left to act
darkcystal calls $0.20
little ozo folds
kimseongchan folds
Method0711 folds
adris7 folds
MrSticker calls $0.15
sl0w_Th1nker folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3h Kh]
MrSticker checks
fergg1234: start freerolling?
fergg1234 has 15 seconds left to act
fergg1234 bets $0.70
darkcystal calls $0.70
MrSticker calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [Tc 3h Kh] [Ts]
MrSticker checks
darkcystal: yes
fergg1234 has 15 seconds left to act
fergg1234 bets $0.70
darkcystal calls $0.70
MrSticker calls $0.70
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3h Kh Ts] A♠
MrSticker checks
fergg1234 bets $1.80
darkcystal: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
darkcystal has 15 seconds left to act
darkcystal folds
MrSticker calls $1.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fergg1234 shows [Qh Js] a straight, Ace high
MrSticker shows [Qd Jc] a straight, Ace high
MrSticker ties for the pot ($3.85) with a straight, Ace high
fergg1234 ties for the pot ($3.80) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.85
Board: [Tc 3h Kh Ts As]
Seat 1: tjnich04 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: darkcystal folded on the River
Seat 3: little ozo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: kimseongchan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Method0711 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: adris7 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: MrSticker (small blind) showed [Qd Jc] and won ($3.85) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 8: sl0w_Th1nker (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: fergg1234 showed [Qh Js] and won ($3.80) with a straight, Ace high



AG had me fearing a boat on the turn.

Last edited by MrSticker : 15-02-2008 at 1:41 AM. Reason: meant "turn", not "river"
  #17  
15-02-2008, 1:41 AM
aliengenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanquish
i lol'd

lol all you want, but someone with over 51% vp$ip who plays perfect post flop poker isn't really funny.
  #18  
15-02-2008, 1:42 AM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
lol all you want, but someone with over 51% vp$ip who plays perfect post flop poker isn't really funny.
How many hands you got on him?
  #19  
15-02-2008, 1:44 AM
aliengenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSticker
How many hands you got on him?
536
  #20  
15-02-2008, 1:49 AM
Irexes
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
lol all you want, but someone with over 51% vp$ip who plays perfect post flop poker isn't really funny.
Talking about me again



Got any intriguing HHs on him?
  #21  
15-02-2008, 1:55 AM
aliengenius
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I have to go to bed, but I'll go through the hands tomorrow. Interesting that he picked the perfect time to limp re-raise w AA:

FullTiltPoker Game #5255281972: Table Vala - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:42:30 ET - 2008/02/14
Seat 1: GoHuskies69 ($6.45)
Seat 2: flip-flop24 ($2.85)
Seat 3: aliengenius ($13.95)
Seat 4: macumazan ($1.50)
Seat 5: a88shin ($12.55)
Seat 7: Bandyrulz ($3.45)
Seat 8: KilgoreTrout82 ($3.90)
Seat 9: fergg1234 ($14.30)
Bandyrulz posts the small blind of $0.05
KilgoreTrout82 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aliengenius [Kc Ks]
fergg1234 calls $0.10
GoHuskies69 folds
flip-flop24 folds
aliengenius raises to $0.45
macumazan folds
a88shin folds
Bandyrulz is sitting out
Bandyrulz folds
KilgoreTrout82 folds
fergg1234 has 15 seconds left to act
worm96762005 sits down
worm96762005 adds $10
worm96762005 is feeling angry
fergg1234 raises to $0.80
aliengenius has 15 seconds left to act
aliengenius raises to $13.95, and is all in
fergg1234 calls $13.15
aliengenius shows [Kc Ks]
fergg1234 shows [Ac Ad]
*** FLOP *** [7d 7c As]
*** TURN *** [7d 7c As] K
*** RIVER *** [7d 7c As Kd] 8♠
aliengenius shows a full house, Kings full of Sevens
fergg1234 shows a full house, Aces full of Sevens
fergg1234 wins the pot ($26.05) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
aliengenius: nh
aliengenius adds $10
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $28.05 | Rake $2
Board: [7d 7c As Kd 8s]
Seat 1: GoHuskies69 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: flip-flop24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: aliengenius showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Sevens
Seat 4: macumazan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: a88shin (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Bandyrulz (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: KilgoreTrout82 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: fergg1234 showed [Ac Ad] and won ($26.05) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
  #22  
15-02-2008, 1:58 AM
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go ahead and send it now, just thought i would post ahead of time to save your time
  #23  
15-02-2008, 2:19 AM
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AG, i think you're too used to the mostly 30> BB effective stacks in tournaments. twice i've seen you shove 100-130 BBs on a 8-10 BB reraise. i mean you're usually letting the opponent fold JJ and many times QQ, which is disastrous
  #24  
15-02-2008, 2:30 AM
tenbob
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
lol all you want, but someone with over 51% vp$ip who plays perfect post flop poker isn't really funny.
Ive seen Joose do it.
  #25  
15-02-2008, 2:38 AM
bob_tiger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tenbob
Ive seen Joose do it.
i knew somebody was cheating on this site
  #26  
15-02-2008, 3:05 AM
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I checked OPR. This guy's horrible in tourneys/multi-table sngs.

He is a low limit player, so there's no surprise he's playing such low stake rings.

My opinion is that he might be laying low in these low limits in attempt not to get caught with whatever he's using because there's No way he can play this well without something helping him out unless it some kind of unrealistic "joose streak" he managed to find himself in for a day or so. Either way, it's hard to tell without eying him up for more amount of time before making a definite conclusion.

Last edited by wsorbust : 15-02-2008 at 3:10 AM.
  #27  
15-02-2008, 7:18 AM
jaymfc
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he comes on and off too and don't stay long . didn't see anything unusual about his play . well he was a mini raiser, lol .

superuser mini raise.gif
  #28  
15-02-2008, 8:44 AM
aliengenius
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Quote:
Originally Posted by combuboom
AG, i think you're too used to the mostly 30> BB effective stacks in tournaments. twice i've seen you shove 100-130 BBs on a 8-10 BB reraise. i mean you're usually letting the opponent fold JJ and many times QQ, which is disastrous

Um, it's $10NL-- ANY hands these guys think are worthy of a raise are NOT getting folded. Almost every player at this level stacks off here QQ unquestionably. I have seen this exact same pattern when opponent held both small pairs like 66 and AKs-- they call.
  #29  
15-02-2008, 9:32 AM
combuboom
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i guess you'd know best. you're the one crushing 10NL. oh wait
  #30  
15-02-2008, 9:35 AM
Dorkus Malorkus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
If he is a super user he's not a very good one. All of the cheaters who have been caught to date had near infinite river aggression. They would always either raise or fold, only calling when the other player went all-in and they knew they had the best hand. What percentage of his hands are getting to SD?
Au contraire, if he is a superuser he's better than the infinite AF people because he looks less suspicious.

Not saying he is or he isn't (without having read the whole thread yet I'd say the probability is that he isn't because it's 10NL and he's probably just a donk on a heater), but your assertion is wrong.
  #31  
15-02-2008, 9:50 AM
SeanyJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by combuboom
i guess you'd know best. you're the one crushing 10NL. oh wait
That is a low blow
  #32  
15-02-2008, 9:54 AM
MrSticker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by combuboom
i guess you'd know best. you're the one crushing 10NL. oh wait
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanyJ
That is a low blow
Yeah, Comby. Be nice.
  #33  
15-02-2008, 10:08 AM
robwhufc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengenius
I have to go to bed, but I'll go through the hands tomorrow. Interesting that he picked the perfect time to limp re-raise w AA:
Yup, he would only have made that play if he KNEW an opponent had KK.

Quote:
Originally Posted by combuboom
i guess you'd know best. you're the one crushing 10NL. oh wait
  #34  
15-02-2008, 10:33 AM
combuboom
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i'm just needlin, AG can take it
  #35  
15-02-2008, 12:10 PM
Dorkus Malorkus
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see this is one of the problems to arise as fallout from the Absolute Poker issue - when a donk gets lucky, people will instinctively start to think 'zomg superuser' as opposed to 'donk on a heater'. there's absolutely no evidence of anything except that villain is pretty bad at the pokers here - he runs a lot of river bluffs and/or has got lucky on a few rivers, hence the slightly high river AF.

the hands are meaningless. a donk limp-rr'd UTG with AA? well i've never seen that before. plus how is it 'the perfect time' for him to limp-rr? if he can see your cards then he knows pretty much whatever he does short of yelling "HI AG I KNOW YOU HAVE KK BUT I HAVE AA SO FOLD PLZ", stacks are going in, and even if he does yell in the chat they;re probably going in anyway.

plus why did you leave his winrate out of the PT stats?

anyway, if you're right and this is a test run, it seems to have gone pretty well, so I expect to see him at at least $1kNL very soon!

(fwiw i think it's about 60/40 that this thread is a gigantic level)
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