fulltilt getting rid of low stakes rebuys?

Has anyone else noticed that Tilt has taken away alot of the low stakes rebuys. They have replaced them with rush rebuys that are the same amount of the previous rebuy. I think this sucks! Instead of replacing a $1 or $2 rebuy with a rush rebuy they should just leave it alone and add a tournament instead of deleting it. Im sure it all has to do with making money but it sucks!

I think that FTP is going to eventually be more Rush than anything else. I would actually play there more if they would add some lower games for Rush like $1 135 person SNG or 01/02 ring. I wont deposit anymore money there so its either make the best with what I have left or get rid or it some other way.

I don't see why they wouldn't want to add more games. If I were running things there I would add games at all levels and have them run all day long. I would also add other games like Pineapple to the mix. Or how about Rush Mixed game where not only do you move from table to to table but you also move from game to game like one table is NLHE and the next table could be PLO.

Yeah, not sure why there's not some $1+.10 rush SNG's or something.

Rush is their own thing so it gives them one up on their big rival PS.

I really don't like the rebuy tournaments anyway. What's the big deal if your onely adding a couple of buck to the tournament.

If you bust out you should be out. Period.

Because it's not only you adding a couple of bucks to the tournament, its everyone else.

Imagine if its a $1 rebuy tournament with $10K Guranteed. 5K max players join.

Thats already a prize pool of $5000 (entrants) + $5000 (Site meets gurantee) = $10,000

Now lets say everyone takes the add on option early on = $5000, 50% double rebuy after busting = $5000, and 50% take the add on option when rebuy ends = $2500.

So, if it wasn't a rebuy, you would only be playing for a $10,000 prize pool. Instead, you can add on an extra $10,00 and be playing for a $25,000 prize pool for $3. The prize pool could be more/less depending on how many add on early, how many rebuys there are, and how many add on late. Either way, you're potentially playing for a huge prize pool for a small buy-in.

How is this different than playing a $3 non-rebuy tournament for a similar prize pool? You're paying much less rake since rebuys dont charge rake. In a $3 MTT, rake might be .30, but buy-in 3x in a $1 rebuy, rake is only .10 ($1 + .10) x 3 = $3 + .10. This might be a bit trivial for lower stakes, but lets say you're playing $100 + 9 buy-in rebuy x 3. You're paying $300 + $9 rake = 3% rake charge. Compared to $300 + $27 non rebuy MTT = 9% rake.

Sure, it might seem like it's giving players extra chances to win it and beat you, but these players are also giving the opportunity to win a much bigger prize than if it werent a rebuy. So, while there are risk there is definitely a lot of reward in these.

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I like the $1 rush rebuy MTTs, but really wish they would add $1 135 seat rush SNGs...

I agree I have never been a fan of the rebuy. You want to rebuy play ring

I love rebuys! They also give you the oppurtunity play deeper poker than you normally would. They aren't for everyone but they should still have them! I understand why they are promoting rush so much. however I do not understand why they would take away tournaments when they could just add some!

I defiently agree with you..My favorite type of tournaments on full tilt are the $2-$5 rebuys because i always feel like i have the advatange just because i would approach these with the right amount of money in my bankroll to just be able to play as aggressive as possible and being able to build a huge stack in the beginning.It would be such ashame if they let go small rebuy tournies because this is wher i would earn the most cash in.

Im dwelling with you womack tilt needs to stop with Rush madness,theres already way more then enough rush tournies.Your not gonna go to the casino and play rush style cash or tournies.I feel that rush has been putting a negative impact in my game..I DONT LIKE THIS ONE BIT

Read philthy's answer above for starters.
Secondly, when I first started playing online poker I didn't like rebuys either.. because I didn't get what it was all about. THink about it like this > rebuys are like a deepstack tournament that starts after the rebuy period is over, therefore it is essential to accumulate a stack during the rebuy period (which also means you need to acquire the skills to do this as well... it's not just an all-out all-in donkfest as it might appear to be at times (although there are some spew monkeys in there too which is obvioiusly a good thing). If you feel you have an edge over the field then you simply must be willing to rebuy & addon (otherwise enter a lower buyin MTT /freezeout instead).
Another thing about rebuys... just because you're rebuying doesn't mean that all is lost with your first stack of chips... cuz it's still sitting right there on the table, grab some more chips & go & get it. I have seen good players literally flood their table with chips from doing quite a few rebuys (this is great when you've got others joining in on the action). Those same guys are usually the ones who've accumulated a 10-15,000chip stack before the addon and the ones who go on to many final tables.

sidenote - how many times did Daniel Negreanu rebuy in the WSOP $1,000 rebuy? (I believe it was 48x). I did hear he had a last longer sidebet too but he also stated that the chips were on the table for the taking.

It wasn't until I watched my first online rebuy training video (on a poker training site) & listened intently to the guy describing the action & giving an overview of rebuy strategy that I became aware of what rebuys are really all about. There's alot of extra value in playing a rebuy tournament. (just look at the payouts in them... the Pokerstars $3rebuy has lowest paying spot at ~$18... but in the freezeout you're getting something like $3.80 and it goes up very, very slowly before it ever gets anywhere close to being 5x your initial buyin). Final table payouts are great!!!

As far as them being removed from the tourney lobby.. that sucks imo. I too believe that Fulltilt should just add in new RUSH tourneys instead of replacing MTTs that were already on the lobby. (there's a poll I've added a vote on as far as what players have thought about RUSH poker tournaments - - general consensus was, "put in a couple of them late at night when playing a reg. rebuy MTT would take too long for the regs. to add to their schedule but adding in a RUSH rebuy might fit right in. Apparently the $10rebuy RUSH is pretty popular. I've played in one RUSH rebuy and it's the last one I'll ever play in.

There's no way this will ever happen. The multi-tabling regs. make up a pretty decent percentage ot MTT lobbys and RUSH mtt's do not fit in very well with the schedule. I really can't see this ever happening.

Thankfully! All rush poker tilt would be a nightmare!

Still don't like rebuys, lol.

I hate the low stakes rebuys. True, it builds up the pot, but these guys rebuy, push it all in on a crap hand(usually hitting on me which pisses me off) then double rebuy the next hand if they lose. I don't want to rebuy 7 or 8 times. I'd rather get into a higher tourney if I'm gonna commit that money.

The argument about reduced rake sounds good, hadn't thought about that before.

I have seen higher stakes rebuys where guys push with a wide range. I think it is just rebuys in general. Of course the play is going to be better at a higher stake but there will always be that guy who can't fold q9 lol.

If people are pushing with a wide range why are you complaining? Pick them off with stronger hands and you get a great stack without having to rebuy...

That bugs you? I love having those guys on the table in a rebuy. It's always great when you get a player (or two.. or more ) who will get it in with junk during the rebuy period, especially the guy who will just start shipping it in over & over (not the skilled player who's trying to get chips in play on the table), the type who wins the first couple of times then spews it off & then rebuy a dozen times & then finally just give up before the add-on even. They're the best!! I HATE it when you're in a rebuy and you get on a table with a bunch of nits who are trying to play it like a freezeout. Just sucks watching the clock tick by with the stack not increasing in size at all & no more chips coming onto the table.

I would've thought you were an avid fan of them actually (here I was thinking that you were thinking the CC game was a rebuy ...??? )

You're entitled to not like them, lol. I think myself & some others were just trying to suggest that there's quite possibly 'more than meets the eye' with the play in them during the rebuy period & that players need to make necessary adjustments in them if they're hoping to have a competitive stack once the rebuy period ends.... and how there's quite a bit of value in playing a rebuy. I used to think they totally sucked... but haven't felt that way for awhile now.

I actually like the rush tournament rebuys. They are full of fish looking for a big cash. Ive cashed in quite a few of them lately

Here is another way to look at these re-buys and add-ons. If you have allocated the necessary time (4 to 6 hours) for a good size MMT and then were knocked out early, what would you do next? Would you try another one or just go play something else? If the answer is yes, I'd try another, then you should be playing these type of tournaments to begin with.

You already have history at that table with the added value of your chips and every one else who bought back in right there. Only mind set you should have is, I don't care how many times it takes to have a descent stack before the break. You take calculated risk with position and isolation to get you chips in with odds to your hand.

You be hard pressed to find better poker in the later stages with deep stacks playing against decent players. Ones who have "donked and luck in" before the break are by now long gone with there chips behind.

I have not played many of these, but have found myself deep and a few final tables. Than can be very profitable and you should be able to cash in these over freeze outs. Granted just hitting the cash and what the re-buys are, could be a break even point.

Because of looser play earlier on and getting into successful hands you can just add-on at the break. Just little different early strategy, makes for little more exciting poker and should bring higher cash to profit from a regular MTT freeze out.

I tend to agree.

What they're definitely trying to do though is expose as many players to Rush as possible, which is why they've been running all the promos on it in recent months and why they're doing things like OP discusses.

When you invent a new game in a B&M casino most of the money you make is in selling the game to other casinos, not from spreading it yourself. If a game is popular people will start asking questions about it at their casino and if the numbers add up (ie: it'll make the house more than it will cost them to buy the licence) they'll often buy it. They can't offer, say blackjack Perfect Pairs or Rapid Roulette without paying a licensing fee to the inventers of the game. The game has to be popular for that to work though.

Pretty good chance this is what Full Tilt is trying to do with Rush Poker - build it up, get lots of people talking about it and then hopefully license it to other sites for huge profits.

Pretty good chance this is what Full Tilt is trying to do with Rush Poker - build it up, get lots of people talking about it and then hopefully license it to other sites for huge profits.

This makes a lot of sense and I actually hope they do it. Still would love to see multi game Rush like PLHE/PLO. Never know what game you will land on