Full tilt warning

I received this in the mail it was put in by a guy that lost to me..





Hello Robert,

It has come to our attention that you have abused the time-clock by continuously
waiting until the last second to act.

Should we receive reports that you have engaged in this behavior in the future
we will enforce disciplinary action to avoid such a situation in the future.

This may include the reduction of the maximum number of tables you are permitted
to play, a temporary suspension of your playing privileges on Full Tilt Poker,
or the permanent closure of your Full Tilt Poker account.

Full Tilt Poker strives to create an atmosphere that is free from any type of
harassment towards other players. We ask that you participate in our games in a
sportsmanlike fashion, and respect the desire of the other players to play the
game at a reasonable pace.

Thank you for your cooperation. If there's anything else we can help you with,
please feel free to ask.

Regards,

Piotr
Poker Specialist
Full Tilt Poker Support

I know it is no big deal but doesnt ft check the hand histories or what

Wow - this is interesting. We had a member who was doing this consistently in our private games and it was defended as being their choice of how to play - though we knew it was being done intentionally to piss everyone off lol.

Next time I guess we can report them to Full Tilt.

Is this for cash games or in tournaments?

I understand FT's reaction if this is cash game. It pisses their other customers and slows down the action which means lowers the rake they collect. All good reasons to act against the OP.

If this is a tournament, i does not change anything for them in terms of rake, and it is a somewhat legitimate tactic to get ITM when short and close to the bubble.

Yea - that is true Belgo - but sometimes the players are very obviously doing it only to annoy the other players and will even admit it at times.

I think that is what FT is trying to address.

Is this legit? I have been guilty of it myself but try to be subtle and dont let it run down to the max every hand, or when the blinds are ticking, getting aggressive and I try to time my moves so they pass me just as they increase at critical stages... I'm hypocritical in the sense I don't like it when someone else does it, but hey everyone's out for themself at the end of the day

I have done this and seen it done consistently on FTP in a effort to run a bluff or in order to run out the clock when almost in the money I think that as long as it cant be proven either via the chat logs or hand histories to be in a malicious spirit then it should be a allowed play

Interesting. I didn't know FT would take action against people who did this. I've been in games when people were intentionally doing it and taunting the other plays about it in chat. It was frustrating. However, I always thought it was clever abuse of game mechanics when shortstacks got near the bubble and were just trying to squeak into the money simply before busting out.

Ok first of all I don't usually use the clock on FT but is it set up like PS in that you get say 60 seconds and you call time and use 15 seconds then the next time you call time you only have 45 seconds left if this is the case then why does it really matter and if its not set up that way then maybe it should be. On PS the higher buyin gives you more time I believe that the Sunday millions gives you like a 5 minute time bank for the tournament. Second thing is people usually dont do this to make the money because that is what the hand for hand is for to prevent people from stalling to make the money so I don't see what the problem is.

Hmmmm, so they expect you to not take the time allot to you to make up your mind. I know that some people play more than one game at a time and might need that extra time.

This has the appearance that it was ring game related especially with FT's comment about 'number of tables'. OP also 'assumes' it was the losing player. The site never tells a player 'who' reported or complained. It could have been anyone else at the table.

Since stalling is used by a huge number of players in MTT's I think we would have heard about it long before this if FT issued warnings for it.

first >> Once the time bank is used up, it is still possible to use the initial time allotment (usually 15 seconds) on every hand. That too can get annoying.

second >> People do this A LOT in MTT's when they know how to do it properly. They start long before the H4H starts. H4H normally starts with the bubble position in smaller MTT's and a few more if it is a huge event. As someone mentioned earlier, stalling allows the blinds to take longer to get to a player, or can time the plays to coincide with blind increases passing them on the BB.

Yep I do this, not usually obvious about it... sometimes slow things down so we can get more players to empty seats, or play less hands as bubble approaches, or be in position for blind increases.. lots of legit reasons for zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz in MTTs. Sometimes I play faster, or slower -- for instance to get the button just before a break/blind increase.
When peeps get frustrated and start yelling I might zzzzzz them some more -- they often start tilting then, ho ho ho.

I don't understand. If they allow you 15 secomds every hand, why would they object to you using it every hand?

i received a warning on pokerstars for the same thing...in mtt play...but it wasn't as harsh sounding....and i still do it...maybe more...and haven't had a second warning...i figure if i cant stall i won't play mtts there and thats all i play there so its no big deal.

all they have to do is give people 5 seconds to act and 30 seconds of time bank if they want to stop/reduce stalling

that must have been for a cash game?

OK. I apologize for not giving complete info this morning. I was playing in a 2000 play chip sng 6maxturbo. I do remember after posting this that someone tried to swear at someone else early in the game and a ftpwarning is being issued to so and so came up in the chat box and that was instantly after it was done. the guy that was being sworn at was also the one that said he was reporting me..

At that point I played and said nothing,then won a hand against the poker cop and the swearing guy said nice hand. Poker cop came out and said he was reporting me. I said nothing looked in chat box and saw out of the 20+ hands we played my name came up 6 times saying 15 seconds to act and one of them was not even involved in hand.

Those two were going back and forth cop was saying he will get us kicked off I then chimed in " I notice I am the only one with a confirmed account(by the fact that unitedstates appears next to my name in box when you run the mouse over a player) and only cash account holder you dont play for money" in the chat box was the message "YOUR REPORTED"

A couple of hands later I beat him and he was gone.Ended winning the 7800 playchips I shot off email to support when I received it and asked why didnt they check hand history and chat and have not heard anything.
I have used the clock in past and should have used it yesterday in 340pm 100 free roll when i busted out on bubble (29th)

I guess i maybe should have put this in bad beats maybe put it irks me someone can be mad with someone else loses to some and gets pissed at hem and do shit like this. I only have a few bucks online having lost over 200 in rebuys and am trying to build chips for 50000 840 pm freerolls....

I don't understand this at all If you are allotted time in a hand why should you not be able to utlize that time as you see fit. I mean beyond the obvious reason such as multi-tabling which may hinder a players ability to act as quickly as maybe the other players would like, you also have plenty of players using HUD & other utility software that use that time to make decisions on their hands.

I see this tactic used quite frequently in satelite tournaments also where there are a certain number of seats awarded & short stacks are waiting for each other to bust out. The same with the bubble in tournaments or even pay jumps.

I understand some people getting upset at this use of time by other players, but for me I am going to use whatever tool i have available to make the best decisions in that particular hand. If that means I take the 15 seconds to act then so be it.

I don't think they have a problem with what you are talking about Kickin.

Some people use it for other reasons -like just to annoy the other players.

I agree with Kickin Aces. You should not be able to "abuse" anything that is offered as part of the software mechanics. The people without the patience to wait 15 seconds are the ones who normally become abusive with the chat.

^^This.

I take issue with those that repeatedly use disconnect for the purpose of delaying/annoying all. But if you are using the time they allow for regular play (every turn or not), they have only themselves to blame...

that's complete bullsh-t. If they give you the time, then it's up to you how you use it. I would send a reply to fulltilt asking what's the use of giving someone anytime at all to make a decision if FT is going to tell the players how fast they have to play.
I have a better suggestion for FT if this is the way they want to be.
Just deal all the cards face down so nobody can see what they have. Preflop, you have 3 seconds to C,R, or F. After the flop, you 1.5 seconds to do the same and on the river, If you hesitate at all, you're auto folded. ONLY after the river do you get to see who has the best hand. Does that sound good FT?!
F-CK I HATE FT. It didn't even happen to me and I'm worked up. lol Hey bobsay, if you want ME to write a responding email for you, I'll be glad to. Just make sure you take your money out first, cause they'll probably boot you after I'm done. LOL

I am surprised at the number of CCers who appear to think that deliberate delaying in a tourney is a sound tactic.

Leaving aside the question of whether that is within the spirit of the rules or fair to others, it is weak play imo. If you are a strong player and have an edge over others at your table, you should seek to play more hands, not fewer. Your edge is worthless while you are not playing.

Are you all saying that you are worse than the average player ?

I think everyone who plays alot of MTTs has done this including me

I see this on all sites, in tournys when u get close to the money, but when u start a tourny and this is going on i support fulltilt in what they are saying. There is no reason to TV every hand. Even a beginner can react fast, most hands there is no choice in what ur going to do. If this happens every hand in a tourny or a cash game something must be done.

Well my take on this is that the option is there to use the time clock for every player at the table. And any of those players or all of those players can use it.
Look at live games. There is no real time that is usually implemented on a player. And if there is it is way longer than what they give someone online.

And online is just where you can need it the most.
Especially when you are playing more than one table.

When is the last time anyone played more than one live table?

Just my .02
See you at the felt.

I effing concur.

I had a few of those idiots let the clock run down on EVERY hand. It was soooooo annoying. Instead of folding, they would let the clock run down.

If you are using that tactic, then I'm glad FT is doing something about it. If you multi-tabling and letting the clock run down, then maybe you shouldn't be multi-tabling since you can't handle it.

I didn't know there was a feature of reporting people who do this. I will definately be reporting people who abuse this. No doubt.

I've used it to great effect against allin bingo players. It's only happened twice, but I watched tables tighten up incredibly as guys went allin every hand. (Hard to call when you're getting 92o on a regular basis.)

In any event, both times, the bingo players went allin and won with garbage in the first or second hand, doubling and tripling up. Since I wasn't even getting hands that could beat half their 99% range, I decided to stall. It kept them from chipping up rapidly by stealing the blinds at high speed. Nothing like a "donk" (me) to slow down their plans, eh?

Others started letting the clock run and the bing players had their tactics was stalled. The tables settled down, others gave some thought to things I guess, and the whole table's range, in each case, broadened enough to where both were out in a few hands.

If you'd just been observing for a short while or had just been moved, I'm sure you would've thought I was the biggest jerk at the table.

The timer's mine to use...report me if you like.

FT doesnt have a leg to stand on here. I would file a complaint with them against the person that sent you the letter.
Favortism of any kind should not be permitted by the staff at FT or at any site. If you can get a player on tilt by slow playing the clock, do it. If FT has an issue with that they should shorten the clock.

That's right.

It's my time, and I'll do with it what I want.

What? Are they mind readers?

What rubbish.

I don't like it either. But I'll fight for their right to do it.


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clock manipulation IS part of poker, no one player should be forced to change thier method of play to please another, even if it is an annoying method. The clock has a certain number seconds on it and players are free to use them ALL. or SHOULD be.

I make use of the clock all the time and it is not to piss off or taunt anyone. To me it is part of the game as in any other sport and I take full advantage of it.

If they want to stop what they consider to be clock abuse, they should include a "clock" or "time" button that if 3 players click on, the supposed clock offender has 5 secs to act. IMO, it's your time clock to use how you wish, if the other players don't like it, tell them to sod off and play super turbo's.

I always thought they gave the time clock for a reason.\
I thought you could take as much time as it allowed you to to make desions.

I'm really surprised about this, main reasons being:

1) When I email Full Tilt it takes them about two days to respond (compared to about 15 minutes for PokerStars), and then they just send me a standard email which makes it quite clear that they couldn't care less. For example I notified them of an instance where a player was making EXTREMELY offensive racist comments to another player, and they emailed back a couple of days later to explain how I could turn chat off if I didn't like it, and next time could I please email chatabuse@fulltilt instead of support@fulltilt

2) They allow all sorts of things that PokerStars don't, such as people begging at the tables, and people speaking foreign languages

3) This was a tournament

4) This was play money

full tilt does not allow other languages to be spoken.


i thought english had to be used at all times

Why didn't you report him? On pokerstars I called a moderator when a "poker cop" threated to report everybody for every perceived wrong. The mod came and seen what was going on and told him he will take care of any problem if their where any. Poker cop told him he wasn't doing his job well-Mod cut his chat instantly. Funny as hell.