Full Tilt rigged?

You know i always belived full tilt was rigged. Maybe i am wrong though maybe its because of the hand increase tht we have, online. Because yes i have taken some of the worst beats known to man. But there are many, many hands that pass without any bad beats. Full tilt rigged, i dont know i geuss i have to stay tuned.

in my personal belive all sites...are in a sense"tuned" even though not like a casino the house doesnt have to take back money to stay sucessful thats why they have fees added to the buyins. but seein as its online poker then is not real dealer. which means that the site has to go off some kinda system to deal the cards. and it cant be random...computers dont know how to shuffle. so tuned yes...rigged no..

Nah, full tilt is not rigged, I guarantee it!

Trust me i think that all the time. I am actually not sure and no one can be sure unless you own full tilt.

obv rigged, 70% favorites should hold up 100% of the time amirite

It's not that it may be rigged... It's the fact you see so many hands... on any site... and the more hands you watch, of course you are going to see more bad beats... likewise you are also going to see more big hands... such as Royal Flushes, and straight flushes... I have seen 2 Royals in the last 3 days... and have had a few straight flushes as well... When was the last time you saw a Royal in your home game?...
"no one remembers the ones they win... But they never forget the ones they lost.(something like that)" - Rounders...

Played a game yesterday against my girlfriend's 12 year old brother.

I'm all in with 88, he's got T8.

Board comes J T 6 T J

Live poker is rigged.

If you wouldn't let your gf take a rake, she wouldn't be encouraged to stack the deck.

^^this.
2 rules to keep in mind:
1. every hand you lose isn't a bad beat
2. Every bad beat isn't a conspiracy

I went all in with AK and lost.....think about it.....

To be honest, after the month I had of coolers and horrific beats it's very difficult for me to not think it's rigged. I've never had anything like this happen to me anywhere else on any other site. It's literally a daily thing where someone hits their miracle card, while I lose 90% of the 50/50 coin flips, and don't ever come from behind to win. I still do think it's legit but crikeys when will it turn around!

On the plus side, I've really learned how to play position a lot better. It's a good feeling to make it to heads up in a SNG only having to go to showdown once or twice in total.

Online poker rooms don't have reasons to be rigged. They don't care who will win they have only rake .

Just because you see so many hands online you are bound to see more bad beats. The sites really have to reason to rig the hands, they make their money off of the rake, just like Anutane said.

I think it's been long since proven that the cards aren't rigged by hand databases, but there would be two reasons:

1) To keep bad players from going bust and giving up.
2) To encourage bets by giving more player playable hands pre- and post-flop, thus earning more rake.

by the way, last live game i played i got into two all-in pots (these people had no clue what they were doing, hence the hands)

a) my KK vs K8 of diamonds... she flopped the nut flush (i was about a 90% favorite)
b) my AK vs Q7, he turned a 7, i don't improve

also the player who had no idea what he was doing and called my all-in for half of his stack with Q7, he ended up winning the tournament...

clearly live poker is rigged so the fish keep playing!

Seems to be little longer story, but yes. Online casinos don't like good players and palyers who win too often and too much. It's why? Most of them lead money out from casino. They don't make so often new deposit, if ever, and are not for casino profitable. So is much profitable hold there naive fishes and some casino addicted players. And administrator controlpanel allows this selection really good and easy way.

After one longer systematical losing serie I just did little larger researching about this, so I know about what I'm talking here. Acheiving this info was not ease, but now I have explaining for my systematical losing with bad beats, which you just are not able avoid, on some online casino.

Yes, casinos don't care who is winner, but in their interest is not given out too much money. So they hold your money circulate on table for earning more rake and fishes are much better for this as a good or profi players.

If I did my research, I'v seen really funny situation in one most advertised poker page. Game which I observed was low limit holdem. During weeks people try play there but yes, money moves over table, no one wins nothing remarkable and all stacks get with long run smaller and smaller. This is method how this casino makes money for WSOP and other large contests. All is legal, but in matter is this kind activity cheating.

And with FullTilt seems too. They offer large bonuses for new players, but I have not yet seen any my familiar (and they are not fishes or bad players) who has cleared this bonus without losing all their money in money table or tourneys against idiotic systematical bad beats.

Moreover, simulation with real cards (5 independend decks during 5 x 240 hours) shows, that so large amount and so systematical bad beats if it occurs in online poker is not possible.

So what I recommend is, avoid this page!

^^ You don't know what you're talking about.

uh, i cleared $450 worth of the new player bonus on full tilt, while making a profit on the side. in fact i've made thousands of dollars at full tilt since i joined, just like i profited on absolute poker, just like i profited at party poker (the only three sites i've played long-term with any consistency). it's not a coincidence i've won everywhere, and if you're consistently losing over the long term, your play is more to blame than luck

lol.. there is so much wrong with this claim. a) obviously it's possible, and b) i'm sure you have no significant data (millions of hands from each) to even back up a claim that any statistically significant deviation between live and online can be seen

there are thousands of people with online poker databases with hundreds of thousands, even millions of hands in samples. no one has ever come forth with anything statistically significant to suggest online poker is "rigged". and trust me, if anyone had anything substantial, it would have gone very, very public

No, i dont believe that internet sites are rigged. I believe in the integrety(sp?) of the sites(full tilt and pokerstars) i play at.

Think you sorted the problem out yourself to be honest, especially if you play SNG, you don't want to be going in for 50/50 to often. Of course you will win half the times you do, but the long run can be a long time.

Playing position, and waiting for better spots is something that takes time to get to grips with, but is ultimately rewarding

It absolutely IS rigged. Transfer all of your cash to me and get out before it's too late!
Hehehehe.

MartyJr2

FT is SO rigged...
Even the BOTS are taking bad beats!

Let me get this straight. You "have always belived Full Tilt to be rigged" and yet you continue to play there? Are you just playing for fun? I sure hope you are otherwise I really would like to know why you keep playing?

I sometimes think that full tilt is rigged, but other times it seems like its not. I guess thats the big question for poker sites on the internet.

I don't give much credit to people who say: "I took a bad beat so the site must be rigged." But I give *no* credit at all to people who say: "I won on such and such a site so it must be honest." Both positions are self-serving. Unless someone (a) obtains the source code for the poker site software and hires a trustworthy expert to study it, and (b) gets detailed records of the software actually being operated by the site, people are just talking out of their butt. I stress that that also applies to people who say poker sites are *not* rigged, not just the allegedly "paranoid" ones who say they are.

I thought about it all the way down the page, and it makes no more sense now than it dd when I first ead it. To quote Mike Sexton " every minute of every hour of every day, someone somewhere is going all in with AK and losing". And you know what? HE'S been thinking about it for more than 40 years!

But, I'm sure you know far more about it than he does........so, you're right......OMF, IT'S RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!

I gotta agree... with some of the posts.. i was accidentally playing a omaha tourney... 6 person turboo.. i ended up with 2nd place... i lost with A A K K... double suuited... i know its a great hand... but the guy had 2 3 9 9... he won with A-5 straight... sucked, esp when i had trips on the flop... but anyway. you gotta figure there's something up with the programs.. i mean one day the decks must start repeating... i saw a pic of someone that had a crazy call...ill see if i can find it...

nobody said that. the guy said he'd never met anyone who had cleared the bonus on full tilt without going broke, so i introduced him to someone who has

basically the point is that the onus of proving the legitimacy of online poker is on the people claiming "rigged". innocent until proven guilty, especially in a situation like this where it'd be very dumb to attempt to "pull one over" on hundreds of thousands people when money is involved and thousands of people now have access to online databases that would have proved a site was rigged by now. are you kidding me? people are salivating at the chance to "prove" a site is rigged, they've got all the statistical tools in the world at their disposal to do so, and yet nobody has done it. gee, i wonder why. THAT is the point

From my experience playing the sites, I think the cash games are fair to everyone. However, on FullTilt (and other sites), I think the hand generator is set to generate more good to great hands for everyone equally to maximize the rake. For tournaments is another story, if you risk all your chips against someone who has more chips than you, you are more likely to get busted on a bad beat. The site already has your tournament fee, you're not generating any revenue once the tournament starts. Just my opinion.

I don't think it's rigged but there will always be people going into tourney's together and working together, which happens in live games too. not so much in the big tourney's but if you enter a one or two table tourney what's to stop 5 or 6 people entering it and working together and splitting their winnings.

Rigged maybe? The truth be told people play loser in freerolls at a real table most would play more tight. If they go all in and lose they just wait for the next freeroll. I've heard comments from pros they lose all the time on line.

I only have one thing to say on this subject....

interesting comments, i've had sum horrendous beats on pacific poker, i mean set over set (me higher) river lost to quads and not just once , quads losing to str8 flush ect ect, which has basically smashed my confidence in onlinepoker, another thing, on pacific i won some good money 8-10k's but 1 thing always happend...when i won big i would bet my life on the next day i played if was like some one had pulled the rug from under me, bullshit hands that u cant fold....nut str8 on the turn..ect, tripsAA losing to quad 2's all in preflop ...my confidence is nil in online poker now, as everytime i get good hands i expect to lose by some bullshit fluke. didnt say it was fixed, but i can play the game as good as anyone, and i very rarely win online, apart from the fist few weeks at a new site .
just coincidence a suppose.

anyone else completely unable to understand xerx?